Interesting indeed! Unfortunately, the "download" link on the libsigc++ download page goes to the 2.0.x series, and browsing the whole gnome sources server ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/libsigc++ the highest available version is 2.2.3. Where is this 2.5?
dan On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 08:54:19PM +0200, Asko Kauppi wrote: > > As maintainers of fink sigc++2 and cairomm1 packages you might be > interested about this: > > a bug in OS X or libsigc++ (depends on how you want to see it) that > causes cairomm (among others?) not to compile. > > -asko > > > Edelleenl?hetetty viesti alkaa: > > > L?hett?j?: Asko Kauppi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > P?iv?ys: 28. lokakuuta 2008 klo 20:50.35 > > Vastaanottaja: Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Kopio: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Aihe: Vastaus: [cairo] Unable to compile cairomm 1.7.0 (OS X fink) > > > > > > Oops, that was interesting. > > > > Seems libsigc++ 2.5 is prepared for this: > > > > > > http://ardour.sourcearchive.com/documentation/2.5/functor__trait_8h-source.html > > > > #ifdef nil > > /* stupid OS X, defining nil */ > > #undef nil > > #endif > > > > > > But current fink version is 2.2.3. I will contact the maintainer > > to make sure (s)he is notified. > > > > Seems fitting the same first aid block in front of including <sigc++/ > > slot.h> in both cairomm/fontface.h and cairomm/surface.h does the > > same trick. > > > > Thanks! > > > > -asko > > > > > > Murray Cumming kirjoitti 28.10.2008 kello 19:53: > > > >> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 21:24 +0200, Asko Kauppi wrote: > >>> I tried compiling Cairomm 1.7.0 on OS X with fink tools. This is > >>> what > >>> I got after > >>> > >>> ./configure > >>> make > >>> > >>> Would you have ideas of what's wrong? > >>> > >>> Which version of libsigc++ is required? > >>> > >>> The line 37 of functor_trait.h is: > >>> << > >>> /** nil struct type. > >>> * The nil struct type is used as default template argument in the > >>> * unnumbered sigc::signal and sigc::slot templates. > >>> * > >>> * @ingroup signal > >>> * @ingroup slot > >>> */ > >>> struct nil; <<-- line 37 > >> > >> Yes. nil is typedefed to something on MacOS X, so libsigc++ has > >> problems > >> there. I am surprised that you could build libsigc++. > >> > >> Unfortunately, we can't change that identifier to something else > >> without > >> breaking ABI (due to mangled C++ names) in other libraries that use > >> libsigc++, such as gtkmm. > >> > >> vmware had this problem (they use gtkmm for the vmware UI). I'm sure > >> there's a patch somewhere that they apply, but I can't find it now in > >> bugzilla. fink should probably apply the patch. > >> > >> I've CCed Philip Langdale, who I think was the vmware guy who > >> mentioned > >> this. Maybe he knows where to find the bug or the patch. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> www.murrayc.com > >> www.openismus.com > >> > > > Edelleenl?hetetty viesti alkaa: > > > L?hett?j?: Asko Kauppi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > P?iv?ys: 27. lokakuuta 2008 klo 21:24.20 > > Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Aihe: Unable to compile cairomm 1.7.0 (OS X fink) > > > > > > I tried compiling Cairomm 1.7.0 on OS X with fink tools. This is > > what I got after > > > > ./configure > > make > > > > Would you have ideas of what's wrong? > > > > Which version of libsigc++ is required? > > > > The line 37 of functor_trait.h is: > > << > > /** nil struct type. > > * The nil struct type is used as default template argument in the > > * unnumbered sigc::signal and sigc::slot templates. > > * > > * @ingroup signal > > * @ingroup slot > > */ > > struct nil; <<-- line 37 > > << > > > > - asko > > > > ... > > g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I/sw/include/libpng12 -I/sw/include -I/ > > sw/lib/freetype219/include/freetype2 -I/sw/lib/freetype219/include - > > I/sw/include/pixman-1 -I/sw/include/cairo -I/sw/include/sigc++-2.0 - > > I/sw/lib/sigc++-2.0/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/X11/include - > > g -O2 -MT quartz_font.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/quartz_font.Tpo -c > > quartz_font.cc -fno-common -DPIC -o .libs/quartz_font.o > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/functor_trait.h:37: error: > > expected identifier before '__null' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/functor_trait.h:37: error: > > expected unqualified-id before '__null' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1088: error: expected > > type-specifier before '__null' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1088: error: expected > > `>' before '__null' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: 'T_arg2' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: 'T_arg3' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: 'T_arg4' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: 'T_arg5' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: 'T_arg6' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: 'T_arg7' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: template > > argument 3 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: template > > argument 4 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: template > > argument 5 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: template > > argument 6 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: template > > argument 7 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1090: error: template > > argument 8 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: 'T_arg2' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: 'T_arg3' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: 'T_arg4' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: 'T_arg5' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: 'T_arg6' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: 'T_arg7' > > was not declared in this scope > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: template > > argument 3 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: template > > argument 4 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: template > > argument 5 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: template > > argument 6 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: template > > argument 7 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1093: error: template > > argument 8 is invalid > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h: In constructor > > 'sigc::slot<T_return, T_arg1>::slot(const T_functor&)': > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1102: error: 'typedef > > int sigc::slot<T_return, T_arg1>::parent_type' is not a non-static > > data member of 'sigc::slot<T_return, T_arg1>' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h: In copy constructor > > 'sigc::slot<T_return, T_arg1>::slot(const sigc::slot<T_return, > > T_arg1>&)': > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1105: error: 'typedef > > int sigc::slot<T_return, T_arg1>::parent_type' is not a non-static > > data member of 'sigc::slot<T_return, T_arg1>' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h: At global scope: > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1117: error: wrong > > number of template arguments (8, should be 2) > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1089: error: provided > > for 'template<class T_return, class T_arg1> class sigc::slot' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1144: error: wrong > > number of template arguments (8, should be 2) > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1089: error: provided > > for 'template<class T_return, class T_arg1> class sigc::slot' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1171: error: wrong > > number of template arguments (8, should be 2) > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1089: error: provided > > for 'template<class T_return, class T_arg1> class sigc::slot' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1198: error: wrong > > number of template arguments (8, should be 2) > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1089: error: provided > > for 'template<class T_return, class T_arg1> class sigc::slot' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1225: error: wrong > > number of template arguments (8, should be 2) > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1089: error: provided > > for 'template<class T_return, class T_arg1> class sigc::slot' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1252: error: wrong > > number of template arguments (8, should be 2) > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1089: error: provided > > for 'template<class T_return, class T_arg1> class sigc::slot' > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1279: error: wrong > > number of template arguments (8, should be 2) > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1089: error: provided > > for 'template<class T_return, class T_arg1> class sigc::slot' > > ../cairomm/fontface.h:187: error: wrong number of template arguments > > (4, should be 2) > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1089: error: provided > > for 'template<class T_return, class T_arg1> class sigc::slot' > > ../cairomm/fontface.h:239: error: wrong number of template arguments > > (4, should be 2) > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1089: error: provided > > for 'template<class T_return, class T_arg1> class sigc::slot' > > ../cairomm/fontface.h:301: error: wrong number of template arguments > > (5, should be 2) > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1089: error: provided > > for 'template<class T_return, class T_arg1> class sigc::slot' > > ../cairomm/fontface.h:360: error: wrong number of template arguments > > (6, should be 2) > > /sw/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:1089: error: provided > > for 'template<class T_return, class T_arg1> class sigc::slot' > > make[3]: *** [quartz_font.lo] Error 1 > > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathon Jongsma kirjoitti 26.10.2008 kello 6:46: > > > >> ********************** > >> NOTE: This is an UNSTABLE release and contains MANY changes, > >> including > >> some API changes (in addition to the normal API additions and > >> bugfixes). > >> I have provided justifications for the API changes below, so please > >> read through them carefully and provide feedback if you disagree with > >> any of them. If you'd like to view the API documentation online as > >> you > >> read through the list of changes below, you can do so at > >> http://www.cairographics.org/documentation/cairomm/reference/ > >> ********************** > >> > >> cairomm is a C++ API for the cairo graphics library. For more > >> information, see http://cairographics.org/cairomm > >> > >> A new cairomm release 1.7.0 is now available from: > >> > >> http://cairographics.org/releases/cairomm-1.7.0.tar.gz > >> > >> which can be verified with: > >> > >> http://cairographics.org/releases/cairomm-1.7.0.tar.gz.sha1 > >> 6d19e71717abf559ffb868423669ba23860fc94b cairomm-1.7.0.tar.gz > >> > >> http://cairographics.org/releases/cairomm-1.7.0.tar.gz.sha1.asc > >> (signed by Jonathon Jongsma) > >> > >> WHAT'S NEW > >> ========== > >> > >> * API Changes > >> * ScaledFont: Change fontface constructor parameter to be a RefPtr > >> * This is an API/ABI break, but the old interface was essentially > >> unusably > >> broken > >> * Cairo::Matrix now inherits from cairo_matrix_t > >> * Previously, we had used Cairo::Matrix throughout our API, but > >> Cairo::Matrix was just a typedef for cairo_matrix_t > >> * This could be considered an API change, but the new > >> Cairo::Matrix still > >> is-a cairo_matrix_t even if it's not exactly a > >> cairo_matrix_t. This > >> change does not break ABI either, as there are no data members > >> or virtual > >> functions. So I believe this is a safe change, but feedback is > >> appreciated. > >> * Provides a much more C++-friendly API for handling matrices > >> * Also added a set of standalone 'generator' functions for > >> generating > >> starting matrices: > >> * Cairo::identity_matrix(), rotation_matrix(), > >> translation_matrix(), > >> scaled_matrix(). This allows for convenient use such as: > >> cr->set_matrix(Cairo::identity_matrix()); > >> rather than something like what was required before: > >> Cairo::Matrix identity_matrix; > >> cairo_matrix_init_identity(&identity_matrix); > >> cr->set_matrix(identity_matrix); > >> * Pattern: get/set_matrix() functions were using a cairo_matrix_t > >> parameter in > >> the API. This is the only place where we used this type and so > >> it was > >> inconsistent with every other matrix-related API in cairomm. > >> Previously > >> this wasn't really an issue since cairo_matrix_t and > >> Cairo::Matrix > >> were > >> typedefed to the same type. However, with the the change to > >> Cairo::Matrix > >> mentioned above, this because a much bigger issue. > >> * This is an ABI-compatible change, but it is a minor API change > >> that could > >> result in some warnings or compile problems in some situations` > >> * New API (some of these are new in cairo 1.8, some are older API > >> that > >> were > >> not wrapped in cairomm previously) > >> * Add Context::get/set_scaled_font() > >> * add Context::show_text_glyphs() > >> * add Context::get_font_options() > >> * Add Surface::has_show_text_glyphs() > >> * Add Surface::get_content() + test > >> * Added Surface::get_fallback_resolution() > >> * Add ScaledFont::text_to_glyphs() > >> * Add PsSurface::get_eps() > >> * Add missing Win32Surface API: create_with_ddb(), > >> create_with_dib(), and get_image() > >> * Add Win32PrintingSurface > >> * Vastly improved font support > >> * ToyFontFace > >> * UserFontFace > >> * Add Freetype font support (FtFontFace, etc) > >> * Add win32 font support (Win32FontFace, etc) > >> * Add quartz font support (QuartzFontFace, etc) > >> * Add ScaledFont::get_scale_matrix() > >> * Fix API inconsistencies by adding overloads and deprecating old > >> versions > >> * Deprecated FontFace::extents() in favor of > >> FontFace::get_extents() > >> * Deprecated FontFace::text_extents() in favor of > >> FontFace::get_text_extents() > >> * Deprecated FontFace::glyph_extents() in favor of > >> FontFace::get_glyph_extents() > >> * Add sigc::slot versions of all of the functions that take a > >> cairo_write_func_t or cairo_read_func_t > >> * This adds a new dependency on libsigc++, but offers a much more > >> flexible > >> and C++-like solution > >> * Old API using cairo_write_func_t / cairo_read_func_t still > >> exist, but are > >> deprecated in favor of the new API > >> * Add a default value for the font_options parameter of the > >> ScaledFont constructor > >> * Added new macros for determining library version: > >> * CAIROMM_MAJOR_VERSION, CAIROMM_MINOR_VERSION, and > >> CAIROMM_MICRO_VERSION > >> * Add a bunch of extra .pc files for additional functionality > >> * like cairo, create convenience .pc files for using some of the > >> optional > >> features. For example, cairomm-ft-1.0, cairomm-pdf-1.0, > >> cairomm-xlib-1.0, etc. > >> * Numerous windows build improvements > >> * Added a *lot* of automated tests > >> > >> -- > >> jonner > >> _______________________________________________ > >> cairo-announce mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://lists.cairographics.org/mailman/listinfo/cairo-announce > >> _______________________________________________ > >> cairo mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://lists.cairographics.org/mailman/listinfo/cairo > > > Edelleenl?hetetty viesti alkaa: > > > L?hett?j?: Asko Kauppi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > P?iv?ys: 26. lokakuuta 2008 klo 10:05.46 > > Vastaanottaja: Jonathon Jongsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Aihe: Vastaus: [cairo] [cairo-announce] cairomm release 1.7.0 > > (UNSTABLE) now available > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Just to let you know, I am about to start crafting a Lua binding for > > Cairo, based on cairomm interface. > > > > This approach has proven good earlier with other libraries; reusing > > the documentation and class design that has already been crafted, > > but implementing it in Lua. > > > > I know there are multiple Cairo bindings already, but they each lack > > either in features, presenting their own interfacing, or both. > > > > -asko > > > > > > Jonathon Jongsma kirjoitti 26.10.2008 kello 6:46: > > > >> ********************** > >> NOTE: This is an UNSTABLE release and contains MANY changes, > >> including > >> some API changes (in addition to the normal API additions and > >> bugfixes). > >> I have provided justifications for the API changes below, so please > >> read through them carefully and provide feedback if you disagree with > >> any of them. If you'd like to view the API documentation online as > >> you > >> read through the list of changes below, you can do so at > >> http://www.cairographics.org/documentation/cairomm/reference/ > >> ********************** > >> > >> cairomm is a C++ API for the cairo graphics library. For more > >> information, see http://cairographics.org/cairomm > >> > >> A new cairomm release 1.7.0 is now available from: > >> > >> http://cairographics.org/releases/cairomm-1.7.0.tar.gz > >> > >> which can be verified with: > >> > >> http://cairographics.org/releases/cairomm-1.7.0.tar.gz.sha1 > >> 6d19e71717abf559ffb868423669ba23860fc94b cairomm-1.7.0.tar.gz > >> > >> http://cairographics.org/releases/cairomm-1.7.0.tar.gz.sha1.asc > >> (signed by Jonathon Jongsma) > >> > >> WHAT'S NEW > >> ========== > >> > >> * API Changes > >> * ScaledFont: Change fontface constructor parameter to be a RefPtr > >> * This is an API/ABI break, but the old interface was essentially > >> unusably > >> broken > >> * Cairo::Matrix now inherits from cairo_matrix_t > >> * Previously, we had used Cairo::Matrix throughout our API, but > >> Cairo::Matrix was just a typedef for cairo_matrix_t > >> * This could be considered an API change, but the new > >> Cairo::Matrix still > >> is-a cairo_matrix_t even if it's not exactly a > >> cairo_matrix_t. This > >> change does not break ABI either, as there are no data members > >> or virtual > >> functions. So I believe this is a safe change, but feedback is > >> appreciated. > >> * Provides a much more C++-friendly API for handling matrices > >> * Also added a set of standalone 'generator' functions for > >> generating > >> starting matrices: > >> * Cairo::identity_matrix(), rotation_matrix(), > >> translation_matrix(), > >> scaled_matrix(). This allows for convenient use such as: > >> cr->set_matrix(Cairo::identity_matrix()); > >> rather than something like what was required before: > >> Cairo::Matrix identity_matrix; > >> cairo_matrix_init_identity(&identity_matrix); > >> cr->set_matrix(identity_matrix); > >> * Pattern: get/set_matrix() functions were using a cairo_matrix_t > >> parameter in > >> the API. This is the only place where we used this type and so > >> it was > >> inconsistent with every other matrix-related API in cairomm. > >> Previously > >> this wasn't really an issue since cairo_matrix_t and > >> Cairo::Matrix > >> were > >> typedefed to the same type. However, with the the change to > >> Cairo::Matrix > >> mentioned above, this because a much bigger issue. > >> * This is an ABI-compatible change, but it is a minor API change > >> that could > >> result in some warnings or compile problems in some situations` > >> * New API (some of these are new in cairo 1.8, some are older API > >> that > >> were > >> not wrapped in cairomm previously) > >> * Add Context::get/set_scaled_font() > >> * add Context::show_text_glyphs() > >> * add Context::get_font_options() > >> * Add Surface::has_show_text_glyphs() > >> * Add Surface::get_content() + test > >> * Added Surface::get_fallback_resolution() > >> * Add ScaledFont::text_to_glyphs() > >> * Add PsSurface::get_eps() > >> * Add missing Win32Surface API: create_with_ddb(), > >> create_with_dib(), and get_image() > >> * Add Win32PrintingSurface > >> * Vastly improved font support > >> * ToyFontFace > >> * UserFontFace > >> * Add Freetype font support (FtFontFace, etc) > >> * Add win32 font support (Win32FontFace, etc) > >> * Add quartz font support (QuartzFontFace, etc) > >> * Add ScaledFont::get_scale_matrix() > >> * Fix API inconsistencies by adding overloads and deprecating old > >> versions > >> * Deprecated FontFace::extents() in favor of > >> FontFace::get_extents() > >> * Deprecated FontFace::text_extents() in favor of > >> FontFace::get_text_extents() > >> * Deprecated FontFace::glyph_extents() in favor of > >> FontFace::get_glyph_extents() > >> * Add sigc::slot versions of all of the functions that take a > >> cairo_write_func_t or cairo_read_func_t > >> * This adds a new dependency on libsigc++, but offers a much more > >> flexible > >> and C++-like solution > >> * Old API using cairo_write_func_t / cairo_read_func_t still > >> exist, but are > >> deprecated in favor of the new API > >> * Add a default value for the font_options parameter of the > >> ScaledFont constructor > >> * Added new macros for determining library version: > >> * CAIROMM_MAJOR_VERSION, CAIROMM_MINOR_VERSION, and > >> CAIROMM_MICRO_VERSION > >> * Add a bunch of extra .pc files for additional functionality > >> * like cairo, create convenience .pc files for using some of the > >> optional > >> features. For example, cairomm-ft-1.0, cairomm-pdf-1.0, > >> cairomm-xlib-1.0, etc. > >> * Numerous windows build improvements > >> * Added a *lot* of automated tests > >> > >> -- > >> jonner > >> _______________________________________________ > >> cairo-announce mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://lists.cairographics.org/mailman/listinfo/cairo-announce > >> _______________________________________________ > >> cairo mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://lists.cairographics.org/mailman/listinfo/cairo > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > _______________________________________________ > Fink-devel mailing list > Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel > -- Daniel Macks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel
