i repeat i am not so technically sophisticated as to be
a programmer (or anyway not that kind...)
i could be a decent tester some-times,
but you know you take what you can get. anyway i
do know enough sometimes half the work is
identifying the problem, why i wrote to the list.
previously my experience with buiding source was limited to within
a few special interest areas, i think partly what overwhelmed
my experience with fink was getting into areas where everything
is source, instead of just a limited portion of packages.
but also i was not making a bug report here, or referring to
a specific package, but discussing (possibly to later make
a bug report) a general issue with fink commander, and looking
for to see if others have any similar experiences.
i appreciate also your clarifying what is up with deselect.
so maybe i didn't really fix anything, i don't know. but
with aptitude once you build source it appears on the
package list, the same. so as far as reconciling conflicts
with what exists on the system it would still seem to be
correct, no ?
***************************
the problem i saw with fink or / and commander i am not
sure is it archiveing some package which creates temporary
conflicts, i am not sure how this can happen really, anyway
you can wind up with unresolved or tangled conflicting
dependency somewhere in the middle of a build that fails.
thence disrupting any future install or rebuild until it is
fixed.
Actually in this case it almost halfway makes sense that
fink commander should refuse to run, however there
really ought to be a way to reset things. this is almost
like a bug report then, IMHO.
*************************
(actually i think i recall what failed now but besides the point!!!)
referring to cvs - i just got instruction from the FAQ page that
it was a good idea if fink appears to be confused to go back
to cvs temporarily to update. that is, seems to imply these
resets it some how. then you are supposed to go back to
rsync once it appears to be running ok again.
ok so fink commander at cvs suggested to build again on
the FAQ if binaries don't work, that is not itself built through
fink, because it is an Aqua App ?? or what ??
i guess i had been trying to build too many things at once
or getting carried away or something.
On 6/22/06, Alexander K. Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/21/06, Brian Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hello, yesterday i was trying to clean up my fink installation and recalling
> that fink commander had
> been unable to run after a failed installation attempt since may20or21.
>
> checking the bug list at sourceforge i noticed that others had crash reports
> around the
> same time, and also there were crashes at other times reported - i mean like
> two or
> three persons reporting crash around the same date.
>
> i saw some discussion also on your old list archives here about switching
> off german
> in the info box for fink commander in the finder - that worked on german
> hosts in germany.
>
> i did have german on even though i live in US. i turned it like they
> suggested there and
> also in international preferences - just set to english
>
> no help there. like the others posted i have never been able to run the
> 0.5.4 update,
> but 0.5.3 was ok *mostly*. but neither is working right now, even after i
> tride us only.
>
> ok one other time i have a compilation fail and then fink commander won't
> restart,
> i don't recall what i did (i need to learn to keep better and more
> organized/ accessible
> notes...).
Yes, please. It doesn't help you or others on the list to report bugs
about "some package" without any mention about what it was.
i don't know why there was it seemed hinting by some people the
> crashes
> related to some sort of system update - yes but i think it related really to
> dependency
> overwhelm somewhere. BTW the first thing i did was to run
>
> fink list -tab >fink-list.txt
>
> and got me a list of packages just fine i could open in textedit.
>
> anyway now i recall saw somewhere that deselect works in terminal if you set
>
> export TERM=xterm-color ; deselect
>
> works
>
> [that's in bash shell --(no, no tshell since XFree4.3)]
>
> deselect worked to put back the broken package, that had been archived for
> the dependency conflict workaround, i think
>
> anyway still no fink commander. i am trying to do self-update cvs today but
> it is
> not connecting to the server... try again later.
That's completely unconnected. The sourceforge server has been
unreliable. Why are you using cvs instead of rsync, anyway?
>
> i am not sure i am willing to go through with it but i might try getting cvs
> build of
> fink commander - am sort of assuming i need fink cvs although maybe that is
> dumb ???
You don't. You just need to check it out with whatever cvs program
version you're using.
>
> ******* i could almost use deselect -->>>
>
> I think that the problem with fink commander is old not updated for three
> years,
Yes. Do you know ObjectiveC? We'd love for somebody to be able to update it.
> it is not smart about dependencies: why it does not show you dependencies
> up front like deselect or like fink command line.
You do get the output from the command line in the console window for
Fink Commander.
The major reason is that you have to run the 'fink' command anyway to
resolve the dependencies:
1) Packages that aren't in a binary distribution aren't represented
in dpkg's database so the dependency tracking you'd have from apt-get
/ dselect isn't available.
2) Build dependencies don't go into the dpkg database at all.
the good about deselect is
> it
> at least gives you some interface - it is text based in the window like no
> real
> button clicking gui, but at least it has decently formatted you can do a lot
> in there inside the program -- like what they call a dialogue interface,
>
> in linix deselect is like fall back, they now have aptitude and its gui
> relatives.
>
And they're available for Fink as well--currently in the "unstable" trees.
> however after using it yesterday i kind of like deselect.
>
> what i like about fink commander is better than aptitude/synaptic/etc in
> the presentation, but a serious flaw to me not showing dependency
> information.
> when i was working with it a lot i think i was going back and forth to
> terminal
> to look up dependencies. wasn't there some other tool or two there also ..
> all command line though, is a huge hassle,
>
> if i had been able to see easily in advance what conflict i would have
> thought
> again about what i was trying to install which was a secondary wish i didn't
> really need that much if it was going to break something more important.
>
> note i also use debian linix that is a similar package system to fink,
> but it is not all the same, i guess about 70%.
>
> i am not a programmer but i do some admin/config/maintainance stuff.
> more than i really want to (sort of a go-between users and programmers).
>
> i want to have time to work on my real stuff.
>
>
>
--
Alexander K. Hansen
Fink Documenter (still)
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