Substitution of methods for 15-24 age group in Australia is the clear
conclusion of Figure 14 ("Youth Suicide and Self-Injury Australia," James
Harrison, Jerry Moller, Stan Bordeaux) at:
http://www.nisu.flinders.edu.au/pubs/bulletin15/bulletin15sup.html

I don't have the report at hand, but this was also the conclusion of
Canadian efforts to limit gun availability (moving from guns to hanging as
the method of choice).

The real tragedy in all this dispute over gun controls is these ineffective
measures waste money that could be spent on real life saving efforts.

The perversion of science by advocacy groups have so poisoned the atmosphere
that it is very difficult to get accepted real science even if you could
find a scientist with real integrity to do the work.  It is all very sad.

Phil

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     Last week the Minnesota Department of Health reported that 3/4 of
all gun deaths in the state are the result of successful suicide
attempts.  Recognizing that suicide, not gun use, was the "cause" of
these deaths and acknowledging that adults have many options in their
determination to terminate their lives, the MDH turned to the familiar
anti-gun strategy of urging efforts to keep guns away from all youth
under all circumstances.

     Now, the federal CDC reports that the MDH recommended strategy
WILL FAIL so long as rope is available.

>>>  Suicidal Youths Turn to Hanging Instead of Guns
http://drkoop.com/template.asp?page=newsdetail&ap=93&id=1504295

A new [federal agency] report finds that suicidal young people are less
likely to use firearms to take their own lives, but the survey finds
little comfort in the trend because they are turning to more readily
available methods.

In the last decade, suffocation -- notably hanging -- has overtaken
firearms as the most common way for adolescents to kill themselves, the
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports.

Among youngsters between 10 and 14 years old, suicide by suffocation
occurs twice as frequently as that by a self-inflicted gunshot. Firearms
were the most common method before 1997, the report found. Among those
15 to 19 years of age, suffocation suicides increased, but by 2001
firearms remained the method of choice.

In other findings, the CDC reported that young people who attempted
suicide were four times as likely to have been involved in a fistfight
in the previous year. However, a third survey found that those who
committed a school-related suicide between 1994 and 1999 had no history
of fighting or otherwise getting into trouble with the police.  * * *


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