It is also my understanding that "political acts resulting in death" (i.e., IRA and UDL caused deaths) aren't counted as "homicides" at all, ever. In the US, these are all included. Professor Joseph Olson, J.D., LL.M. o- 651-523-2142 Hamline University School of Law (MS-D2037) f- 651-523-2236 St. Paul, MN 55113-1235 c- 612-865-7956 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> "Philip F. Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/01/08 6:19 AM >>> Debunk -- but with mitigating comments. For the UK, "‘homicide’ covers the offences of murder, manslaughter and infanticide." (see: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs08/hosb0308.pdf on p. 12 or http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page40.asp) Homicide does not include 'Causing death by dangerous driving' which "includes causing death by careless driving whilst under the influence of drink or drugs and causing death by aggravated vehicle taking." (see http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/page41.asp) So, the UK does not include a significant number of cases included in US homicide numbers. But, there is more. The Brits reclassify homicides after investigations. Also, on p. 12 of the first link given we find the comment "Where the police initially record an offence as homicide it remains classified unless the police or courts decide later that no offence or homicide took place. Of the 757 offences first recorded in 2006/07, 23 were no longer recorded as homicides by 12 November 2007." About 15% of homicides become re-defined each year under the UK system, see p18: "Table 1.01 Offences1 initially recorded by the police as homicide by current classification 2 :England and Wales, 1954 to 2006/07" in the first linked document. In the US, the FBI reports first police determinations (I believe). Phil > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > I have heard, but have never seen an authoritative cite, that in the U.K. a > homicide is not classified as such until there is a conviction of a suspect. > Can someone provide a cite or debunk this? > > > > Yours in Liberty > > Guy Smith > > > > > > > -- The Art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike at him as hard as you can and as often as you can, and keep moving on. -- Ulysses S. Grant _______________________________________________ To post, send message to [email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
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