The Telegraph numbers are for "crime" and "contact/violent crime."  While
one can arrive at different numbers by studying "homicides," it seems
unfair to criticize the original report on the basis of having changed the
question.



At 11:40 AM -0800 10/29/03, Mark Kleiman wrote:
> The UK has a population of about 60 million and, according to the
>Telegraph story you quote, 1070 homicides per year.
>
> The US has a population of about 290 million and 15900 homicides (2001
>figure from the UCR).
>
> That gives the US a homicide rate 3.3 times as high as the UK rate.
>
> The UK rate is somewhat distorted by the ongoing civil war in Northern
>Ireland, which has a homicide rate about three times that of the rest of
>the UK.
>
> If this is to be a forum for scholarly discussion, then it seems to me
>that it ought to be incumbent on posters to state all of the obviously
>relevant facts, including those that are not supportive of the points they
>wish to make.
>
>
>
> At 10:31 AM 10/29/2003, you wrote:
>
>> Gun control works???
>>
>> "... the "victimisation risk" - showing the risk of suffering a crime -
>>in England and Wales is higher for overall crime than anywhere else in
>>Europe, and higher than in America. The same is true of falling victim to
>>"contact" - violent - crime."
>>
>>
>><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F10%2F25%2Fncrim25.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=50048>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F10%2F25%2Fncrim25.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=50048
>>
>>
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