Thanks for the detailed response Helen. 

 I think i figure out the main reason none of the stuff i saw about "grant" and 
"users roles" etc. etc. worked... my database file is 2.1 format.
 

 Once i converted it to 2.5 format, everything worked how i figured it out 
given what you said and i read online.
 

 So, this brings me to one final question:
 

 - i've got users with 50Gig Firebird DB files.  Millions and millions of 
records in dozens of tables.  What are the risks of doing a gbak to backup the 
2.1 format db file and then restore it to a 2.5 format db file?
 

 is that something you'd recommend?  is there a better way to go from 2.1 FB 
format db file to 2.5 than to do a gbak and restore?
 

 again, thanks for helping me out all these times!!

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