On Jul 1, 11:50 am, Trevan Richins <trich...@omniture.com> wrote:
> I still mistakenly deactivate firebug instead of minimize it and that causes
> me grief, but I'm getting used to it.
I wouldn't call that "mistaken," I'd call it perfectly reasonable. How
many UIs do you know that tie a background process like Ajax
monitoring inextricably to whether a certain window is open or not?
And by well-understood convention, if you "close" a window but the app
has a little icon in the bottom-right, it's still doing stuff in the
background (think of IM clients and the system tray). So there's every
reason for a user (*especially* those new users that the new
activation model is supposed to cater to) not to pay attention to the
difference between minimizing and closing - close means "get this bit
of UI out of the way," and minimize means "get it mostly out of the
way."
In short, the little X does not mean deactivate, it means close.
Having it do something other than close the window is unintuitive
*and* counterproductive.
> So, for those that are up in arms against it, just use it for a bit. It
> remembers the pages that you have previously activated firebug on. It
> attempts to keep firebug on in the same domain if it is already been open
> (I've seen some issues with this but never been able to reliably reproduce it
> so haven't filed a bug on it).
But this is always exactly the problem with software that tries to be
clever about what the user wants. It never quite works out, and the
user ends up spending more time working around the software's mistakes
than was ever saved by the cleverness to begin with.
- Luke
> -----Original Message-----
> From: firebug@googlegroups.com [mailto:fire...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> jjj
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:34 PM
> To: Firebug
> Subject: Re: New Activation Model
>
> re: #2
>
> This new activation model is NOT workflow friendly for a web-dev, as I
> often browse sites with the panel open, and want to see what they've
> loaded WITHOUT hitting control-5. I can't keep the firebug window
> open all the time, and it looks as if the only way to keep track of
> net requests (as in the old model) is to keep the panel open.
>
> Even telling firebug to 'enable all panels' and 'on for all pages'
> will cause it to not capture net requests when the panel is minimized,
> instead display this cryptic error message:
>
> 'Net panel activated. Any requests while the net panel is inactive are
> not shown.'
>
> Sure enough, it didn't log any net requests when the panel was
> minimized. This is a regression issue and VERY annoying, as reloading
> a page with control-f5 isn't an option for monitoring ajax requests
> that have already happened.
>
> Thanks,
> J
>
> On Jun 30, 8:02 pm, johnjbarton <johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 30, 7:06 pm, Tama <tama.pugs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I too have been looking for an option to keep the FB pane open like it
> > > did pre FF 3.5 using 1.5X.0a06 (I was using 1.4... but I thought this
> > > might've been a bug so upgrade to 1.5...).
>
> > > It's either one or both of these two things
>
> > > 1. The pane now closes when you navigate to a new page. Meaning you
> > > always have to reopen the pane and then refresh the page because of
> > > #2.
>
> > The result when you navigate to a new page on a different domain,
> > firebug closes. It should do that in 1.3 as well unless the new domain
> > is one pre-selected by you.
>
> > > 2. The pane doesn't log anything until it's open, even when the site
> > > has been activated.
>
> > I don't understand what you are saying, but Firebug has to be active
> > when the page is loaded. This is true in 1.3 as well. However 1.3
> > automatically reloaded if you opened Firebug. Some people hated that
> > because they just wanted to use the CSS/HTML features, not the net/
> > script/console and did not want to wait for the reload.
>
> > > This basically means whenever I click a link to a new page on my dev
> > > site I have to open the firebug page then click refresh. Which doesn't
> > > actually work on some pages (e.g. logout).
>
> > ? what is logout?
> > jjb
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