I'll just say that the new firebug (1.4.0b7) that was just installed
into my browser seems to fix my usability problem. The new 'Off' and
'Minimise' buttons in particular, and the way the bar will stay open
until you close it.

Thanks for listening guys ! :)

Chris.

On Jul 4, 1:42 pm, johnjbarton <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 4:09 pm, jjj <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > There is a failure of properly defining the difference between
>
> > "firebug ON" (plugin is in a state of systems interaction) and
>
> Let's see. First Firebug is an "extension" or an "add-on", not a
> plugin.
> I guess a state of systems interaction would be when Firebug has
> active listeners on the web page. We'd call that "active".
>
> > "firebug OPEN" (plugin is in a state of user interaction)
>
> Ok open is the Firebug UI is showing, visible.
>
>
>
> > They are not the same.
>
> Yes we agree.
>
>
>
> > "firebug on" may imply "firebug open" or "firebug closed".  either
>
> Well, since "closed" could be ambiguous. We use "closed" to mean not
> active. So your Firebug On + Closed is what we call "minimized".
>
> > way, the plugin should not make that determination unless there has
> > been user interaction to direct to to "firebug open" or "firebug
> > closed".
>
> Ok, sure.
>
>
>
> > while
>
> > "firebug open" must imply that firebug is on and not closed.  this is
> > a direct result from user interaction with firebug notifying it to
> > display itself.
>
> Well "on and not closed" would be "minimized".
>
>
>
> > I think this UI defect being resolved would resolve a lot of end-user
> > confusion.
>
> ? What defect. I don't get it.
>
> I think a more effective way to communicate these issues is to
> describe the buttons/key you push and the state you see/don't see.
>
> jjb
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