Hello,

> This discussion on C2 is based on certified vs. certifiable.  When 
> Microsoft stated their OS was C2 Certified, what they really meant was 
> it 
> was CERTIFIABLE to a DOD, (Department of Defense), C2 level of 
> security. 

Well, yes and no. It was, in fact, certified to an E3 level in the ITSEC
scheme, and the sections which were certified were those which were
contained in a "Functionality class" which contains the featured required 
for an old-style TCSEC certification. (TCSEC certification are no longer
being performed - the US is pushing Common Criteria now.)
(Were there no network requirements for an TCSEC C2 certification?)

And it wasn't looked at by the DOD - I think it was Logica which 
performed the evaluation. The UK ITSEC certification body (made up of 
of CESG and the DTI) then evaluated their report, and awarded a 
certification. 

CESG is the UK equivalent of the NSA, I suppose.

> To 
> actually BE CERTIFIED, you have to submit an architecture proposal to 
> the 
> DOD for certification.  Then once approved (certified), its a nightmare 
> to 
> make any type of modifications to your network architecture without 
> long 
> drawn out requests.

This is also very, very true with ITSEC certification. If you have an NT
Box running in a certified configuration, you won't be able to put any 
released patches on it unless they pass through the Certificate
Maintenance Scheme. And getting certification does, in fact, take a lot of
work. 

> Generally, only Government operations go through 
> this 
> pain staking procedure, (Air Force, CIA, blah, blah).  The public 
> sector 
> does not???

Not really true, you should check out the products listed at 
http://www.itsec.gov.uk

(Or you could check out our website. ;-)

cheers,
Michael 

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