I use published papers as that indicator.  Sometimes falling back to
too much list participation (Hi Paul, Todd!).

Adam


On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 10:12:44AM -0400, Loftin, Greg wrote:
| In a highly competitive field, *with all other things remaining equal*, the
| nod will likely go to the individual who has *documented proof* that he
| possesses a body of knowledge in the field for which he is being considered
| and that he has put fourth *a little* extra effort to enhance his value
| which *could be* indicative of the additional effort that *may be*
| demonstrated in the work place.
|  
|       -----Original Message-----
|       From:   Todd Bordeaux [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|       Sent:   Thursday, July 15, 1999 10:19 PM
|       To:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|       Subject:        Re: Certification
| 
|       I usually just watch (I get _a lot_ of good info), but I thought I
| would
|       throw my comment in.  I have been looking for a sys admin position
|       (Unix) in the Phoenix metro area.  My credentials are 22+ years
|       (starting with IBM mainframes) in both hardware and software.  I
| have
|       10+ years in Unix systems administration (no certificates, my last
| job
|       before obtaining a govt contract rather _generously_ accepted 14
| years
|       of working with them as proof of experience and reason for
|       advancement).  When I see a company, looking for Unix S/A's, asking
| for
|       MCSE's, it seems suprising (except when you accept that HR is doing
| the
|       initial screening).  What is really galling is that each company
| expects
|       resumes to be submitted in Microsoft Word format.
|       Certification (IMHO) demonstrates that you are able to "talk the
| talk". 
|       Proven experience demonstrates that you are able to "walk the walk".
| 
|       Which is better?  Better yet, how do you get that point across to
| the
|       gatekeeper of the "first door" (initial candidate selection)?
| 
|       Todd Bordeaux
|       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
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