hi Pieter,
         that is exactly why i would layer it from layer 3 on up. if 
i thought i could reasonably add layer 2 to the pot i would;-)
i have always believed in all things to "Defend in Depth"
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>Hi, Remember
>1)PGP- is application level
>2) SSL or TLS - is Transprt level
>3) IPSec -  is Network level
>may be a combination of above.
>How lower the level how more secure and less change
>of tunneling (like with SSL one can tunnel under it).
>
>
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>> From: dreamwvr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Secure FTP approach
>> Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 7:53 PM
>> 
>> hi,
>>    well for one since ftp is not really that secure i would consider 
>> a combination of there three ideas with plenty of room for
>improvements;-)
>> first use a SSL enabled client like SSLtelnet since you are opposed to 
>> SSH. myself i prefer TeraTerms SSL client as it is free as a bird for 
>> windows world and just ssh from the command line for *mix world. but lets
>> keep on track on the SSL idea.. then you might consider since there is 
>> such a limited amount of people is using PGP which has plenty of windows 
>> clients available for use including eudora addon that is just fine:-) 
>> then create a script to encrypt the files on a per UID connecting if 
>> you prefer it really doen't matter as long as you have the secret key 
>> and it is secure. SSL will preserve connection security and deny man
>> in mid attacks as well as replay. PGP will prevent the deciphering of 
>> the data by anyone other than the intended reciever. send then a floppy 
>> with the proper key(s) and note that even if the key is stolen they will 
>> still need the passphrase. then make certain that the key has a finite
>> shelf life per se. then if this still is not satisfactory look into 
>> a turnkey solution like Everlink which i am a distributor for so would 
>> be more than happy to assist you. it provides encrypted real time
>> communications 
>> peer to peer. as well as person to person ftp of files, secure email and 
>> secure web. E-link would be a good turnkey so it depends on what 
>> approach you are most confortable with.
>>                                                              Regards,
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earth in March, 2028.  Millions of UNIX coders expressed relief for being 
spared the UNIX epoch "crisis" of 2038.
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