MCI = Telephone company.
Who is Cable & Wireless? 

I run into the similar problems you bring up with my mechanic. Do I then
tell people not to use a car? No. To do so would be ludicrious and would
actually be an uneducated knee-jerk reaction.

There are very good third party bastion host management services out
there. The trick is to wade through the charlatans who have just gotten
into the business. 

I may be prejudiced working where I do, but I hope my argument manages to
be inpartial, and does not show that I actually do for a living what you
happen to be villianizing. 


Joel Gridley
Site Patrol/Firewall Specialist          "Be the packet"
GTE Internetworking, "Powered by BBN"                       
Burlington, MA

On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On 25 Jul 99, at 8:41, Magowan, Richard M. (ITS) wrote:
> 
> > My company has grown rather quickly through merger activity and I find
> > myself having to upgrade my Internet service to include multiple sites. I do
> > not have the staff to properly manage and monitor the firewall environment
> > at the remote sites, hell I don't even have the time to properly watch the
> > one I've got! Anyway, I am evaluating SAVVIS as our possible new ISP with
> > the intent to have them manage the firewall environment for a year or so.
> > Checkpoint (Unix) will be the firewall supported. Questions:
> > Anybody ever used this kind of service?
> > Anybody ever used this service from SAVVIS? Anybody used SAVVIS for ISP. As
> > for FW management, with the Checkpoint console is it practical to manage the
> > remote devices centrally (must be since ISPs all do this - right?). How
> > "safe" is managed services. Some will say trust no one but I've got to be
> > practical with 15,000 users and 150 sites to manage and management that
> > seems to thinks of the firewall in terms of an appliance. Any insight is
> > greatly appreciated. Thank You.
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>       If you can, DO NOT USE A THIRD PARTY - rather train and do 
> it yourself. I inhereted an MCI - then Cable and Wireless firewall 
> management service, and I DO NOT KNOW WHAT I AM PAYING 
> THEM $5,300 / month for !!!!. At least since C&W took over from 
> MCI - it's been a NIGHTMARE!!! - wrong bills, no response to 
> service, no calls back from their Sales people - I am seriously 
> looking into legal stuff against them, believe it or not!!! I ended up 
> taking a class in Checkpoint myself, just to get a flavor of what this 
> firewall specific implemntation does, I will probably look also into 
> Raptor and Altavista ones, and then - shall the BEST win - will 
> bring the whole management in-house! Using a service nowadays 
> is HORRIBLE!!!. At least that's my own experience ...
>       Good luck, anyway,
>       Stefan
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