On 7 Sep 99, at 4:15, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 08:15:00AM +1000, Pearson, Arran wrote:
> > this is a good point, time after time I see this type of configuration at
> > client sites and have yet to understand the full reasoning behind it - you
> > are really using a screening router to protect a firewall?  Does not make
> > sense.
> 
> If has a few advantages.
> 
> a) a router before or behind the firewall can be used to do the actual
> (dynamic) routingm, can run routing protocols and can be used to connect
> quite different medias.
> 

Yes and no. If the router in front has multiple uplinks, dynamic routing 
makes sense (OSPF, BGP4, ...). But I would never recommend to do dynamic 
routing to the inside. It�s always more secure to use static routes, even 
if it�s more work for you. Dynamic routes are due to be changed 
accidentally or intentionally ;-)  

> b) a screening router before the firewall can keep a compromised firewall
> from sniffing any traffic which is not destinated to the firewall.
> 

Yes. The problem is, that the firewall admin has to cover two different 
firewall systems. Discarded packets from the screening router should be 
logged as well, and the log should be checked from time to time.
You can use a screening router in front of your true firewall to discard 
the following packets:

- IP addresses from internal networks (spoofing)
- packets originating and heading for MS network ports (like udp 137 and 
so on)
- packets with bootp requests and related stuff
- routing protocols like OSPF and RIP
- source routed packets

The rest gets to the firewall. Stuff like Back Orifice or Netbus can be 
masqueraded with NAT to a honeypot machine. If you want to trap hackers, 
a port scan is not enough to catch them. A honeypot gives you the chance 
and the proof to take some countermeasures, like informing CERT or 
authorities...



Kind Regards / Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

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