o.k. mother, whatever you say, looks like your advises are worth a pot of
gold.
p.
>From: Alex Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 'peter pajak' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: *This is a rant* RE: unsubscribing ? hate this industry. spe
>cial ly to Susan
>Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:23:23 -0800
>
>OK, Now you are going too far. SHUT UP, SHUT DOWN THIS THREAD! Save of
>some of that bullshit you are spreading and GROW A LIFE!
>
>Your continued effort in an ill-conceived, pointless flame proves your
>worthlessness.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter pajak [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 6:34 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: *This is a rant* RE: unsubscribing ? hate this
>industry. spe cial ly to Susan
>
> hey rafi,
>
> who the hell asked you for your 2 cents, this is our conflict so we
>(i
> should say i) don't need any bloody outsiders to put their dirty
>feet in.
> better watch you own ass not to be kicked by palestinian brothers
>before you
> stick it into other people affairs. and who cares about non-us
>users, they
> (us-chums)are those who invented internet so they have right to
>expect
> proper english to be used here.
>
> no regards this time,
>
> p.
>
>
> >From: Rafi Sadowsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Grimes, Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: "'firewalls lists'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: *This is a rant* RE: unsubscribing ? hate this
>industry. spe
> >cial ly to Susan
> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:53:46 +0200 (IST)
> >
> >Dean
> >while the posters may have been rather impolite - you assume that
>they are
> >*native* English speakers
> >
> > you not have noticed - but the Internet is getting less & less
>US-centric
> >which as a corrolary means that a large percentage of
>user/admins/whatever
> >are NOT english speakers
> >
> >I suggest you read
><http://www.first.org/docs/international_comms.html>
> >then read your flame below & apply it to yourself
> > before you start a flame-war about English grammar
> >
> >
> >--
> >Rafi Sadowsky
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Network Operations Center |VoiceMail: +972-3-646-0592 FAX:
> >+972-3-646-5410
> > ILAN - IUCC -I2(Israel) | member
>ILAN-CERT([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> >(Israeli Academic Network) | (PGP key -> )
> >http://telem.openu.ac.il/~rafi
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Grimes, Dean wrote:
> >
> > > To Hill and Pajak:
> > >
> > > Have either one of you ever passed a basic English grammar and
>spelling
> > > test? Neither one of you have ever made mistakes ... ever?
>Reading
> >through
> > > your posts revealed to me that neither one of you have yet
>mastered even
> >the
> > > most basic concepts of sentence structure and use of the English
>
> >language.
> > > Since this forum is communicated in written form, it makes sense
>that
> >one
> > > develop a command of the written word.
> > >
> > > Hill, if you are at least a little bit intelligent, why don't
>you learn
> >how
> > > to spell intelligent before using it in a sentence. While you're
>at it,
> > > learn to spell loser, because as a participant in the human race
>you
> >will
> > > need to refer to this word frequently.
> > >
> > > Pajak, what is "you see, some of us are just not politically
>correct and
> >we
> > > don't really
> > > care to be ones."? I guess you are correct, there just isn't a
>nice way
> >to
> > > tell someone that they are a stupid idiot!
> > >
> > > Now didn't that diatribe help to encourage you to become more
>educated
> >in
> > > the use of the English language? Or does it just piss you off? I
>hope
> > > neither one of have any children. You see, both of you missed an
>
> >opportunity
> > > to help and encourage someone. Instead you allowed pride and
>selfishness
> >to
> > > prevail in your lives. Maybe you do work well with machines, but
>there
> >is no
> > > substitute for friends, family and respect. Try next time to be
>real
> >leaders
> > > and help those in need. Just maybe, someday, you too will
>require a
> >helping
> > > hand or even just a kind word of encouragement.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Hill, Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 5:45 PM
> > > To: 'Susan Kerschbaumer'; peter pajak
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: *This is a rant* RE: unsubscribing ? hate this
>industry.
> > > special ly to Susan
> > >
> > >
> > > You said...
> > > It's people like you that make me hate this industry. We are
>not
> >machines.
> > > We are not computers. We are human beings. We make mistakes. We
>are
> > > imperfect.
> > > Be nice. There is a nice way to say what you want to say.
> > > I wouldn't have said anything, but I thought I should make you
>aware of
> > > how you come off to those of us who are on this list who are not
>
> >arrogant
> > > and inconsiderate. Maybe you can learn something.
> > >
> > > I reply..
> > > 1) The information is at the tail of every message he got.
> > > 2) he chose to subscribe
> > > 3) when he chose, the info was there
> > > 4) this sort of responce in normal in a very highly technical
>group
> > > 5) the person this was aimed at used a professional title, (and
>is
> >expected
> > > to be able to read)
> > > 6) this sort of 'unfriendlyness' is normal to ANY outsider in
>ANY
> >industry.
> > > (try asking questions to a med)
> > > 7) If you don't love the tech., live breath and eat the tech.,
>you are
> >in
> > > the wrong business, go into sales.
> > > 8) DON'T SPAM THE CHANNEL WITH NON-Firewall CHATTER!!
> > > 9) If you are in FIREWALL, you are not a human being, you are on
>call
> >7x24,
> > > you eat SPAM and PING storms, you live to kill the damn packet
>storms,
> >and
> > > you know that everyone in your office just wants to download
>.megs
> > >
> > > I went to school to study 'this industry', so I would know what
>I was
> >doing.
> > > I've been working in 'this industry' since 1980, and I still
>love every
> > > minute that I am away from the lusers, and inside of the
>machine. To
> >keep
> > > up to date, I have to keep up my studies. This is one place
>that I can
> >know
> > > what is the lastest features/bugs. I don't feel like wading
>through
> >FLUFF.
> > > (I did that in my BBS days, and when I tried m$ manuals)
> > >
> > > Again, if you are at least a little intellegent, most of the
>best in
> >'this
> > > industry' will give you the code off their PALMS, just don't ask
>them to
> > > comment it for you. That is an exercise for the pupil. But
>don't ask
> >them
> > > to be friendly, they are giving you what they can afford,
>knowledge. Go
> >ask
> > > a salesman for a pretty pile of words.
> > >
> > >
> > > of course, Richard Drennan should have sent his message in
>private, but
> >it
> > > was rather amusing.
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