On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, HUNGRY PIRANHA wrote:

> q&a,,,why do all of us so-called experts recommend gadgets instead of
> tried & true debugging tools

because of features not available in tcpdump, for example, like protocol
decodes (ie CDP in ethereal).

> ping,traceroute,tcpdump are extremely usefull still...

last time i looked ping can't do a layer 2 ping. traceroute was UDP only
on my UN*X boxen, and maybe i have to do some TCP or GRE path tracing.

what's a real bummer is the -X option in tcpdump seems to be OpenBSD
specific. i haven't yet found a regular version that has that on Linux.

> netstat just about spills its gut try to give you info in connection
> status. new guys ...learn how the basic stuff works first...

sure, but a good sniffer will help them learn how IP sessions work. when
they're trying to learn how a three way handshake works, they shouldn't
have to worry about hex -> ASCII conversions.

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