hi all..

i probably should have added that the dns was for the
internet side...not local dns for local machines...

and yes..its always a problem when they dont have the $$$$
for separating fw, dns, email, web, home server, db server,
backup servers, log server, pop3, ppp, etc
        - so which servers do you combine ???
        ( gets bad when they have their minds pre-defined already )

        - even a 486-based machine would be fine for most small corp
        to run as dns or as simple "standalone" firewall...

have fun linuxing ... :-)
alvin


On Mon, 7 May 2001, Hiemstra, Brenno wrote:

>       <..snip..>
> 
> 
>       i've heard the argument that dns should be part of the firewall
>       because ... to send email or web to foo.com ... it has to go
>       find the dns server first... than it will go to wherever its
>       directed ...thru the firewall next...
>               - and the problem is people like to attack the dns servers
>               - and you're lucky, it might have a backdoor into the lan...
>               - or whatever it might tell you...
> 
>       <..snip..>
> 
>       Some comments from my part...
> 
>       You don't run DNS on the firewall...   at least not a server.    you
> can sure
>       user it to resolve DNS addresses locally...   I would not advise to
> use your
>       firewall as a resolver for your internal LAN.
> 
>       The best way is to use a seperate DNS system which resolves for your
> internal 
>       LAN and othet systems (mail, http, etc, etc). If if the DNS server
> is only resolver 
>       then access from the outside isn't necessary.
>       so you can make a rule that only DNS traffic is allowed to go out of
> your network and 
>       only IN your network if the connection is in the firewall it's state
> table (if you use a statefull 
>       inspection based firewall -- which I would prefer).
> 
>       If people attack your DNS servers then your firewall isn't
> compomised only the
>       DNS server.   Access to the LAN isn't necessary...   you just have
> to build a DMZ which
>       seperates your internet systems from your local lan systems.
> 
>       that's about it...
> 
>       Just remember one thing...
> 
>       Don't run services (DNS, sendmail) on your FW unless you have a $$$
> problem that you can't affort more
>       systems to do the work. It can be used to compromise your FW and
> therefor have a leap into your
>       LAN / DMZ.
> 
>       Have fun BSD-ing
> 
>       Brenno
> 
> 

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