Chris, As much as your eloquent plea for lenience tore at my heartstrings, I'd like to table a few points. This is a firewalls list. Those of us that are actually here to talk about firewalls have better things to do than sit through a billion useless posts. I don't know how long you've lurked on the list, but we seem to have build up periods where the posts get more and more off topic until a few people post polite reminders and things rein in for a while. This is one of those "reining in" times. Remember that there are a whole bunch of security lists. Really. There's a mess of 'em. The wonder and beauty of this diversity is that IF I WANTED TO SIT THROUGH A MILLION POSTS ABOUT HOW TO SET UP BIND I COULD JOIN A BIND LIST. Or a Sendmail list. Or whatever. As an aside, I consider "this crap is freakin' pathetic" and "don't go on and on[...]because ya don't know how to deal with it emotionally." type posts to be unneccessarily ad hominem, puerile, and also off topic. In general, a waste of space. In short, although people should be, and usually are, more than capable of finding the delete key, excessive noise-to-signal ends up driving away clueful people who are too busy to sift out the real content, which lowers the net cluefullness of the list, and also encourages people to post off-topic or unresearched crap, which means that the remaining people with clue have no questions to answer but "which is a better suppository, PIX or FW-1?". Basic or stupid questions breed basic or stupid answers. I know that sounds arrogant and elitist, but I don't really care. I don't want to help people that can't be bothered trying to solve the problem themselves - they're a liability to the field. Inexperience can be cured. Cluelessness...well, that's a different story. I'm not even going to apologise for being grumpy. The idiocy of the entire poizonbox thread has left me with a deep, simmering rage. Don't reformat indeed. Sheesh. Cheers, -- Ben Nagy Too Young to be This Irritable Marconi Services Australia Pty Ltd Mb: +61 414 411 520 PGP Key ID: 0x1A86E304 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Malott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 7:35 PM To: Lista de firewalls Subject: RE:OFF TOPIC:DNS Ah enough of this shit stop reminding people. I think were all mature enough to bend the rules a tad and tolerate a few off topic posts. Even if there as frequent as once a week. Don't go on and on about structure bullshit and how it needs to come to an immediate stop because ya don't know how to deal with it emotionally. It's more angering to listen to people bicker about how this and that shouldn't be posted then the actual post. Come on guys grow up. Chris Malott Chameleon Communications GeEK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jose Nazario" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ronneil Camara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: DNS > On Fri, 25 May 2001, Ronneil Camara wrote: > > > Sorry for this off topic post: > > this request for forgiveness doesn't excuse the fact that it's off topic. > please, everyone, let's remember a few things. > > this is a firewalls list. firewalls topics. not exploits, not incidents, > not mail server setup, not dns server setup. not unless as it pertains > specifically to firewalling (ie 'i want this feature in ESMTP which > requires this port be opened up, can i proxy it using product X?'). > > there are better lists where people are more qualified to give better > answers. please see those types of lists. > > thanks. ronneil, i'm not trying to flame you, only to point out this fact > which gets forgotten by people about once a week. > > ____________________________ > jose nazario [EMAIL PROTECTED] > PGP: 89 B0 81 DA 5B FD 7E 00 99 C3 B2 CD 48 A0 07 80 > PGP key ID 0xFD37F4E5 (pgp.mit.edu) - [To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.]
