If you will block telnet on port 25 (smtp) to your mail server how do you
expect getting or sending any emails?
maybe via another mail server? :)

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>    1. Re: PIX 515 (Daniel Crichton)
>    2. Re: blocking telnet to port 25 (Chris Lee)
>    3. Re: Proxy vs stateful... oh no, not again :) (Was: Re:
>        MigrationfromGauntlet 5 to Firewall-1) (Mikael Olsson)
>    4. Problems with Watchguard HTTP-proxy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>    5. Re: blocking telnet to port 25 (Binaya D. Joshi)
>    6. Re: blocking telnet to port 25 (Ron DuFresne)
>    7. Re: PIX 515 (Georges J. JAHCHAN, P. Eng.)
>    8. Re: Proxy vs stateful... oh no, not again :) (Was: Re:
>        MigrationfromGauntlet 5 to Firewall-1) (Paul D. Robertson)
>    9. Re: blocking telnet to port 25 (Larry Chuon)
>   10. Re: blocking telnet to port 25 (Ron DuFresne)
>   11. RE: Annoying firewall (Matthew Carpenter)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Daniel Crichton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Julian Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:25:43 +0100
> Subject: Re: PIX 515
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On 10 Apr 2002 at 17:06, Julian Gomez wrote:
>
> > until I'm done doing my thing ;) Question - how do you bolt down Napster
> > and its ilk ? I thought it uses a range of dynamic ports even tunneling
> > through HTTP if it has to.
>
> For the older versions I don't think it would do HTTP tunneling, so I just
> blocked the ports and server IPs it used. Here's the list of IPs and ports
> I had blocked back then (in fact still do, although I also run nmap from
> time to time across the network looking for anything out of the ordinary,
> although my LAN is now much smaller and everyone knows I keep tabs on what
> software they have installed!).
>
> 208.184.216.0/24:8875
> 208.178.163.61/32:4444
> 208.178.163.61/32:5555
> 208.178.163.61/32:6666
> 208.178.163.61/32:7777
> 208.178.163.61/32:8888
> 208.178.175.0/24:4444
> 208.178.175.0/24:5555
> 208.178.175.0/24:6666
> 208.178.175.0/24:7777
> 208.178.175.0/24:8888
> 208.184.216.0/24:4444
> 208.184.216.0/24:5555
> 208.184.216.0/24:6666
> 208.184.216.0/24:7777
> 208.184.216.0/24:8888
> 208.49.239.0/24:4444
> 208.49.239.0/24:5555
> 208.49.239.0/24:6666
> 208.49.239.0/24:7777
> 208.49.239.0/24:8888
> 0.0.0.0:6699
>
> the last one being all outgoing connections on 6699.
>
> > Is this PIX specific ? Having never touched a PIX - I'm blurry at best.
>
> Nope, I just blocked the above which I found on a site somewhere when
> digging around for ways to block Napster. If I had to do it again I'd
> probably run something like Snort which allows you to look for specific
> data in the packets to identify Napster (and other apps) no matter what
> the destination IP or port and return the packets to close or deny the
> connection to the local machine, then the responses from the real
> destination would be ignored as the connection would already be closed.
> Obviously to do this you would need Snort running on a machine that could
> see all packets being passed from the inside to the internet so placing it
> is fun in a switched network.
>
> Dan
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:43:57 +0800
> From: Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: ipVx Sdn. Bhd.
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: blocking telnet to port 25
>
> If you want mail to through, you can't.
>
> Chris
>
> Sayed Peerzade wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm systems engineer in an ISP handling mail servers, i also handle
> > checkpoint.
> > pls tell me how to block telnet to port 25, keeping normal telnet to
> > perform normally on mail server (netscape messaging server running on
> > solaris OS))
> > u can tell me method to block either in checkpoint or on mail server
> > itself.
> > Thanks and regards.
> >
> > Sayed K.Peerzade.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:20:06 +0200
> From: Mikael Olsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: Clavister AB
> To: "Paul D. Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Proxy vs stateful... oh no, not again :) (Was: Re:
>  MigrationfromGauntlet 5 to Firewall-1)
>
>
>
> "Paul D. Robertson" wrote:
> >
> > [some very interesting points, even though less than 1% of
> >  the firewall admins today actually care about it :/ ]
>
> We're getting into deep enough specifics that I realize I can't
> counter this using general arguments. This would mean I'd have to
> resort to discussing our stuff (which obviously I know best), but:
>
> 1. That sort of voids the topic
> 2. It isn't nearly as fun :)
> 3. I've already posted more clavister-specific stuff to this
>    (general-purpose) list than I'm comfortable doing :/
>    (unless specifically asked to do so, of course)
>
> IOW: "Here, have a freebie point or two" :)
>
> > [on (pseudo) fragment reassembly]
> > The issue becomes how much checking is someone doing with frags-
> > as it becomes a pretty plausible DoS attack to send pseudo-initial
> > frags in some instances
>
> If you're refering to simply filling up the available reassembly
> slots, that will DoS fragment reassembly on a proxy equally well.
>
> An SPF on the other hand, given that it can make the assumption that
> it can eat more kernel RAM in its in-kernel hooks (or doesn't even
> have a thing called "kernel RAM". hehe :)), and that it knows that
> it has to protect thousands of internal hosts, would potentially be
> better at this than a general-purpose IP stack designed for local
> reassembly only.
>
> No points to you for that one. Maybe half a point to me :)
>
> (Although I guess the key word there is "potentially", generally
> speaking. I'm almost starting to see your point, given the
> "general" state of affairs. &%@#�&#@&)
>
>
> > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Mikael Olsson wrote:
> > > And here's one more for proxies: most (all?) proxy firewalls ride
> > > on top of full-fledged OSes, and when the proxy dies, it tends
> > > to leave to OS somewhat unshielded :)
> >
> > Unshielded how?  If the proxy code is all that's bound to sockets,
> > the exposure window isn't all that horrific is it?
>
> Just a point of interest:
> Isn't it fairly common for (commercial) proxy firewalls to apply
> packet filtering on traffic to the firewall itself?
> (At least stuff like the "kill raptor boxes by sending IP options
> with 0 length" bug from a couple of years ago has led me to think so.
> I could be wrong.)
>
> > > OTOH, the same is true for at least the majority of the SPFs. %&#%�.
> >
> > Darnit!  No fair taking my points! ;)
>
> Suddenly turning around and taking the opposite view of one's
> usual view is a great brain exercise, I've been told.
>
> ... and done in the middle of an entertaining argument, it also
> tends to drive people nuts :)
>
>
> Now, you either need to stop dropping points that we (I? ;)) haven't
> finished arguing, or tell me where to pick up my cigar :)
>
> --
> Mikael Olsson, Clavister AB
> Storgatan 12, Box 393, SE-891 28 �RNSK�LDSVIK, Sweden
> Phone: +46 (0)660 29 92 00   Mobile: +46 (0)70 26 222 05
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> "Senex semper diu dormit"
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:18:29 +0200
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Problems with Watchguard HTTP-proxy
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:14:35 +0545 (NPT)
> From: "Binaya D. Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: blocking telnet to port 25
>
> blocking telnet to port 25 in mail server... huh ???
>
>    if so; may be this be the last mail u r be receiving :)
>
>
>
> B.D.Joshi
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Chris Lee wrote:
>
> > If you want mail to through, you can't.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Sayed Peerzade wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm systems engineer in an ISP handling mail servers, i also handle
> > > checkpoint.
> > > pls tell me how to block telnet to port 25, keeping normal telnet to
> > > perform normally on mail server (netscape messaging server running on
> > > solaris OS))
> > > u can tell me method to block either in checkpoint or on mail server
> > > itself.
> > > Thanks and regards.
> > >
> > > Sayed K.Peerzade.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Firewalls mailing list
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > http://lists.gnac.net/mailman/listinfo/firewalls
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:44:01 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Ron DuFresne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Binaya D. Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: blocking telnet to port 25
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Binaya D. Joshi wrote:
>
> > blocking telnet to port 25 in mail server... huh ???
> >
> >    if so; may be this be the last mail u r be receiving :)
> >
>
> Saves some folks that painful hitting of the delte key a few times a day
> though, and certainly can limit workloads!
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron DuFresne
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
> eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
>
> OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Reply-To: "Georges J. JAHCHAN, P. Eng." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Georges J. JAHCHAN, P. Eng." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Firewalls List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PIX 515
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:36:15 +0200
>
> Watching traffic and blocking ports on firewalls is not the right
solution.
> Peer-to-peer apps tend to use an ever-changing variation of hosts and
ports.
> Keeping track of the connections is a time consuming manual process.
>
> If you want to manage how applications use your WAN bandwidth, you need a
> PacketShaper. It auto-identifies the applications making it to your WAN
and
> allows you to set policies to guarantee, limit or block the WAN bandwidth
> used by any class of traffic (sort of an application QoS). It acts on both
> inbound and outbound traffic, and adds less than 2-msec of latency. It has
> substantial layer-7 "smarts" to identify (and block or tame) Napster,
> Gnutella and KaZaa amongst others. Check it out at:
http://www.packeteer.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Crichton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Julian Gomez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:25 am
> Subject: Re: PIX 515
>
>
> On 10 Apr 2002 at 17:06, Julian Gomez wrote:
>
> > until I'm done doing my thing ;) Question - how do you bolt down Napster
> > and its ilk ? I thought it uses a range of dynamic ports even tunneling
> > through HTTP if it has to.
>
> For the older versions I don't think it would do HTTP tunneling, so I just
> blocked the ports and server IPs it used. Here's the list of IPs and ports
> I had blocked back then (in fact still do, although I also run nmap from
> time to time across the network looking for anything out of the ordinary,
> although my LAN is now much smaller and everyone knows I keep tabs on what
> software they have installed!).
>
> 208.184.216.0/24:8875
> 208.178.163.61/32:4444
> 208.178.163.61/32:5555
> 208.178.163.61/32:6666
> 208.178.163.61/32:7777
> 208.178.163.61/32:8888
> 208.178.175.0/24:4444
> 208.178.175.0/24:5555
> 208.178.175.0/24:6666
> 208.178.175.0/24:7777
> 208.178.175.0/24:8888
> 208.184.216.0/24:4444
> 208.184.216.0/24:5555
> 208.184.216.0/24:6666
> 208.184.216.0/24:7777
> 208.184.216.0/24:8888
> 208.49.239.0/24:4444
> 208.49.239.0/24:5555
> 208.49.239.0/24:6666
> 208.49.239.0/24:7777
> 208.49.239.0/24:8888
> 0.0.0.0:6699
>
> the last one being all outgoing connections on 6699.
>
> > Is this PIX specific ? Having never touched a PIX - I'm blurry at best.
>
> Nope, I just blocked the above which I found on a site somewhere when
> digging around for ways to block Napster. If I had to do it again I'd
> probably run something like Snort which allows you to look for specific
> data in the packets to identify Napster (and other apps) no matter what
> the destination IP or port and return the packets to close or deny the
> connection to the local machine, then the responses from the real
> destination would be ignored as the connection would already be closed.
> Obviously to do this you would need Snort running on a machine that could
> see all packets being passed from the inside to the internet so placing it
> is fun in a switched network.
>
> Dan
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:14:43 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Paul D. Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Mikael Olsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Proxy vs stateful... oh no, not again :) (Was: Re:
>  MigrationfromGauntlet 5 to Firewall-1)
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Mikael Olsson wrote:
>
> >    (unless specifically asked to do so, of course)
>
> You're not getting off that easy!
>
> > If you're refering to simply filling up the available reassembly
> > slots, that will DoS fragment reassembly on a proxy equally well.
>
> It depends on how much checking is done- there was a point in time where
> at least one major PF wouldn't check sequence numbers before reassembling
> or rejecting TCP frags!
>
> > An SPF on the other hand, given that it can make the assumption that
> > it can eat more kernel RAM in its in-kernel hooks (or doesn't even
> > have a thing called "kernel RAM". hehe :)), and that it knows that
> > it has to protect thousands of internal hosts, would potentially be
> > better at this than a general-purpose IP stack designed for local
> > reassembly only.
>
> Everyone's stack that I could think of using for an ALG is tunable to the
> same sort of extent and with all the appropriate performance tweaks
> already in place.  Before SYN floods were an attack, high-volume Web sites
> experienced the same problem in daily use, and got stack writers at OS
> vendors to crank out the appropriate code- so eating of kernel RAM is
> equally appropriate.  Right after we got them all fixing SYN floods, we
> asked for frag handling to work the same way.
>
> (It sucks when your Web server won't take anymore connections, then you
> figure out that the OS keeps socket state in a linear table, and it's
> taking longer to walk the table and find the next open slot than the
> timeout value on a socket- fixing the stack isn't something that
> generally happens correctly on the first patch.)
>
> > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Mikael Olsson wrote:
> > > > And here's one more for proxies: most (all?) proxy firewalls ride
> > > > on top of full-fledged OSes, and when the proxy dies, it tends
> > > > to leave to OS somewhat unshielded :)
> > >
> > > Unshielded how?  If the proxy code is all that's bound to sockets,
> > > the exposure window isn't all that horrific is it?
> >
> > Just a point of interest:
> > Isn't it fairly common for (commercial) proxy firewalls to apply
> > packet filtering on traffic to the firewall itself?
>
> Now it's very common.  But even without that, it's difficult to see a
> scenerio where a proxy-based firewall that's set up correctly has any
> different exposure than a packet filter (except for those filters that use
> the kernel's IP forwarding mechanisms, but that'd be coming up with point
> arguments.)
>
> > Now, you either need to stop dropping points that we (I? ;)) haven't
> > finished arguing, or tell me where to pick up my cigar :)
>
> Feh!  By my count, I'm at least 4 points ahead!  Yes, we're using a
> properly weighted scoring mechanism, the rules are I win. ;)
>
> I've only dropped the ones that will spiral into their own multi-megabyte
> threads (Firewall as an IDS indeed!)
>
> Fortunately for you, I don't smoke, so you'll just be forwarding beers ;)
>
> Paul
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> Subject: Re: blocking telnet to port 25
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:36:44 +0000
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> <DIV></DIV>On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Binaya D. Joshi wrote:
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> <DIV></DIV>&gt; blocking telnet to port 25 in mail server... huh ???
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; if so; may be this be the last mail u r be receiving :)
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
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> <DIV></DIV>Saves some folks that painful hitting of the delte key a few
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> <DIV></DIV>though, and certainly can limit workloads!
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> <DIV></DIV>Thanks,
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> <DIV></DIV>Ron DuFresne
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> <DIV></DIV>"Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.
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> <DIV></DIV>business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny
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> <DIV></DIV>***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
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> <DIV></DIV>OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything.
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> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:00:20 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Ron DuFresne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Larry Chuon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: blocking telnet to port 25
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> No, that's not what's been asked nor discussed in this requestors thread.
> Now this ight have been what he was really meaning to ask, but, it's not
> what he asked for sure.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron DuFresne
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> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Larry Chuon wrote:
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> >
> > i think we're talking about stop mail relaying. pls check with your
> > vendor for detail.
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> [poor article quoting deleted]
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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
> eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
>
> OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.
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> Dear gods that was not necessary...yuck
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> > Having received e-mail that makes me think that perhaps many who =
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> Yeah, yeah, but I still find it immensely more gratifying to
> picture this: http://c0ffee.badf00d.org/humor/usenet-troll/
> whenever I come across one of those.
>
> :)
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> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dear gods that was not necessary...yuck</FONT>
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> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Mikael Olsson [<A =
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> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:42 AM</FONT>
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> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: Annoying firewall</FONT>
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> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;Laura A. Robinson&quot; wrote:</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Having received e-mail that makes me think that =
> perhaps many who subscribe</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; to this list are unfamiliar with the term =
> &quot;troll&quot; and prefer to assume that</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I'm making some sort of personal insult, I =
> offer the following links for</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; edification:</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; [...]</FONT>
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> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yeah, yeah, but I still find it immensely more =
> gratifying to</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>picture this: <A =
> HREF=3D"http://c0ffee.badf00d.org/humor/usenet-troll/"; =
> TARGET=3D"_blank">http://c0ffee.badf00d.org/humor/usenet-troll/</A></FON=
> T>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>whenever I come across one of those.</FONT>
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> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>:)</FONT>
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> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT>
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> (0)70 26 222 05</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fax: +46 (0)660 122 =
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