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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shay Hugi
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:46 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: a web management system for the NetGAP firewall 
> appliance(off-topic) 
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> If anyone of you guys who replied to this topic ever saw 
> Motorola DDM, i don't think you could say such bad things 
> about SNMP management using web based system. EVEN if it's a Firewall.

Um, did you _read_ the thread?

> The Motorola Docsis Device Manager, ussualy implemented on a 
> Sun NETRA managed by X,

Running X? OK, it's lost a point already.

> running Apache 1.3.20, FULL Java 
> based management system using SNMPv2 to the Motorola DCM2000 
> (CMTS) and the whole CAS System. including non-motorola CM's 
> with the ability to add and compile your own equipment MIB files.

That sounds like you're describing an Enterprise Management product for
carriers. That's a very different kettle of fish.

> The DDM is truely a powerful product... with no need for any 
> session encryption except MD5 for the login passwords. I 
> don't see AT ALL why should a management system using SNMP 
> and a web based (using Java) system should not run on a 
> dedicated authenticated workstation to manage a firewall.

You'd manage a firewall via SNMP with no encryption??
Certainly...daring. Before I started doing anything like that I'd want
to have a complete out-of-band management network. Not many companies
have one of those - far less than have firewalls.

> Lot's of cable companies who use Motorola CMTS's or 
> RiverDelta's are using the DDM. And i've never heard anyone 
> say'n anything bad about this system.

I think you're describing a different sort of "management" system, with
different risks. I'd go over everything, but I'd just be repeating all
the stuff we already described. You're talking about carrier grade gear
for people with really different kinds of networks to other businesses. 

Try sticking a bunch of SNMP read-write manageable devices on a
university (college) network and see how long they last. And sure, you
can use this DDM thing to manage 'em if you like (but it won't help...)

> -Shay Hugi
> -Mpthrill.com

Cheers,

--
Ben Nagy
Network Security Specialist
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