----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Brenner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>; "Stanley Salthe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Fis] Order in the world, epistemological considerations
> Dear Group, > > I am interested to see that logic has returned as an issue, something I > referred to in an earlier posting. The problem I see with this latest > exchange is that logic is again taken to have an extremely limited scope. > It is basically that of classical bivalent logic, somewhat fuzzifed and > modalized perhaps but still restricted to questions of the truth of > propositions. Intuition is the paradigm concept of the non-scientific, > non-rational etc. > > I now respond to John and Stan at once: a logic that is a logic of all > real complex phenomena, starting from the self-duality of quantum entities, > provides a basis for order that is independent of human cognition. As the > latter "inherits" the properties of its physical substrates od which it is > composed, it follows the same logic, including both "hard" knowledge and > intuition seen as processes. One spends more time "doing" (making > inferences from) knowledge than intution, but both are real, without any need > for > panpsychism. > > I wonder if anyone would care to comment on this tentative extension of > logic. > > Thank you. > > Joe Brenner > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stanley Salthe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Fis] Order in the world, epistemological considerations > > > John said the below. > > I take exception to the claim that order is not a projection from our > own experience and creations (notably logic). Nature, our scientific > model of The World is orderly by reason of its having a logical > skeleton. Naively perceived orders in The World, like the succession > of day and night, depend upon the locale, scale, and senses of the > observer. Thus, aspects of The World may seem orderly TO US, and we > take advantage of this relationship, which itself depends upon logic. > > I also take issue with the idea that there is no power of intuition, > simply from my own experience, which is convincing (to me). Indeed, > I think that quantum mechanics has now cleared the way to introduce > intuition even into Nature. > > STAN _______________________________________________ fis mailing list [email protected] https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
