Dear Colleagues and Friends, Pedro's conclusion, which I bring up from the bottom, is, I feel, a good starting point for further reflections.
>Somehow we are returning to the beginning of the discussion. I defend that the limitations of the individual are crucial for the structures >and trajectories science has developed historically, and that those limitations show up not just in an indirect way, maybe in a similar >"natural" way to those limitations we encounter ourselves when are individually producing our meanings inside a network of social relations. >Following quite many comments during these two months, it seems that our "categorizations" (and even logic) are somehow problematic and >may depend on previous assumptions on very obscure info matters... Unfortunately I cannot put it better, but the positions on the >"categorization problem" (category theory?) and the different "info approaches" look densely interrelated. It is the logical and categorial underpinning that I feel is causing some (but not all) of the problems with the discussion. We need some way of talking better about individual, group and individual-group interactions where neither the individuals or groups involved are totally independent entities. Category theory, as it is usually formulated, is part of the problem because it maintains and even emphasizes separation rather than relation, and when relations are included, it is only formally, as abstract machines for moving from one exclusive category to another. From my standpoint, information exchange (between molecules, cells, people) is relational and requires a logic, something like a quantum logic that takes this into account. As Ladyman and Ross write, in the book that I learned about in this group, we radically need to change our metaphysics about what a thing is, or rather is not, and what patterns can be understood as the active entities of both knowledge and existence. I'll stop here and wait for comments. Best wishes, Joe _______________________________________________ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
