I completely agree John, remembering also that Hermes is the messenger
of the gods and message "containing" information is the phenomenon with
a Janus-face since both "sides" (the sender and the receiver) are in a
heteronomic situation towards each other. best Rafael
> Joseph,
>
> You wrote: <I feel my orginal question, about differences of kind or
> "valence" of information has not been addressed>
>
> Your point about valence and the negative and positive faces of
> information is an intriguing question. In a sense each time we use the
> word itself we are invoking the Greek god of information, Hermes - the
> deity of information, language, writing and messages but also of
> deception, thieving and money. The information/misinformation
> complementarity is unavoidable. A strictly verifactory account (like
> Floridi's infosphere) ignores the Janus-like character of the
> phenomenon in science society and mythology. This ambiguity has
> persisted throughout the history of the concept as defined by the
> major players (e.g. Aquinas's informed intellect (intellectus
> agens/intellectus possibilis) Bacon's 'information of the
> senses/information of the understanding' , Peirces' definition of
> information as 'inferencing and imagination', the Shannon entropy
> versus Norbert Wiener's negentropy). Spin, camouflage, theatre,
> illusion seem to be an intrinsic component of informational experience.
>
> We await the new discipline of Informational Anthropology to explore
> what Soren Brier calls 'information man'. In fact we probably need a
> whole new academy, an Infoversity (possibly run along the lines of the
> European Graduate School), which explores information as central to
> all the disciplines (rather than just as an extracurricular activity
> of the cognoscenti).
>
> I would certainly welcome a future FIS session on Information Language
> and Communication where we could investigate these connections in a
> more focused way. Bob Logan's excellent paper he circulated recently
> might be a good starting point. Pedro?
>
> Best
>
> John H
>
>
>
>
>
> *On Mon Nov 16 0:34 , "Joseph Brenner" sent:
>
> *
>
> 
> Dear FIS Colleagues,
>
> I hope that some of you, at least, are as interested as I am by
> the shift in topic from "Assymetry of Information" to "Information
> as Assymetry" that has taken place. As far as the latter is
> concerned, I now know much more about the contribution of Leyton
> and others, its historical development, etc.
>
> However, despite some references to game theory and decision
> theory, I feel my orginal question, about differences of kind or
> "valence" of information has not been addressed. In real systems,
> especially social systems, much of the information transferred is
> not neutral, but comes in two main flavors, call them optimistic
> and pessimistic if you prefer. (Both are "real"; John Collier's
> questioning of the existence of "negative" information in
> his sense is appropriate).
>
> Perhaps this is a trivial distinction; perhaps its existence,
> and its consequences, are not.
>
> Thank you and best wishes,
>
> Joseph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robert Morris
>
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> *To:* javascript:top.opencompose('fis@listas.unizar.es','','','')
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:13 PM
> *Subject:* [Fis] Inventor of Information as Asymmetry
>
>
> It is absolutely the case that Michael Leyton invented the
> concept of
> information as asymmetry.
>
> Furthermore, David Weiss is correct: Leyton's work has been
> applied
> by scientists in over 40 disciplines. His theorems are used
> thousands
> of times, each moment of the day, all across the world.
>
> For example, Leyton's theorems are used in cardiac diagnosis,
> biomedical engineering, metereology, chemical engineering,
> mechanical aerospace design, geology, botany, etc.
>
>
> Richard Morris
>
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