Dear Pedro, Dear Joseph,

About the Milton Keynes Conference, i.e., about DTMD
definition, we saw this quote long long ago, but there two
different sayings: One is "Information is a distinction that
makes a difference" from Donald M. MacKay in his
"Information, Mechanism and Meaning" (1969), and another is
"Information is a difference that makes a difference" from
Gregory Bateson in his "Steps to an Ecology of Mind" (1972).

Although I have checked it page by page in Donald M.
MacKay's book but can't found it, whereas it is easy to find
"Information is a difference that makes a difference" in
Gregory Bateson's "Steps to an Ecology of Mind" at page 230,
361, 339, etc., who can tell the accurate priority about
DTMD?

Best wishes,

Xueshan
16:49, April 14, 2013   Peking University

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>    3. Re: FIS News (Moscow 2013) (Gyorgy Darvas)
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> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:11:58 +0000 (GMT+00:00)
> From: "joe.bren...@bluewin.ch" <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013)
> To: <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>, <fis@listas.unizar.es>
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> 
> Dear Pedro,
> 
> Glad to hear from you. Your silence was, of course, 
> expressive, containing much information . . .
> 
> Now all of us will be waiting impatiently to learn about
the 
> the new, exciting themes that were discussed at the Milton

> Keynes Conference.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Joseph
> 
> ----Message d'origine----
> De: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
> Date: 12.04.2013 11:02
> À: <fis@listas.unizar.es>
> Objet: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013)
> 
> Dear FIS Friends,
> 
> Apologies for my long silence. As I have already said
several 
> times, my science management duties are killing not only
my 
> time but also my nerve (well, not completely!). Imagine
what 
> is happening with the financing and organization of
Spanish 
> science these years...
> 
> Anyhow, a couple of good news about our common Information

> Science endeavor. First, there has been an excellent 
> conference in Milton Keynes, organized by the Open 
> University, about Information ("the difference that makes
a 
> difference"). Quite exciting discussions on our most dear 
> themes, and some new ones that we have rarely addressed
here. 
> The organizers, a very active team indeed, are cordially 
> invited to lead a discussion session in our FIS list to 
> continue with the conceptual explorations addressed in
their 
> conference.
> 
> And the second news is about an imminent FIS CONFERENCE, 
> MOSCOW 2013, the Sixth FIS, and the 1st of the ISIS 
> organization. It will be held this May, from 21 to 24 in 
> Moscow. This time the Russian organizers have followed a 
> singular procedure, a relatively closed conference
centered 
> in the diffusion of information science in the Russian 
> scientific community.  At the time being, to my knowledge
(I 
> could not follow very well the process), only the members
of 
> the ISIS board have been enlisted as foreign participants.

> But given that there will be several absences, interested
FIS 
> parties might ask about their possible participation.  
> The schedule is too tight for travels, visas etc, and
again I 
> have to apologize for not having posted this info before 
> (info glut!). In any case, am sure that our colleague 
> Konstantin  Kolin ( koli...@mail.ru ), leading organizer,
and 
> member of the Russian Academy of Science, will be happy to

> respond to interested parties and help them to accelerate
the process.
> 
> Best wishes to all
> 
> ---Pedro
> 
> -------------------------------------------------
> Pedro C. Marijuán
> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto 
> Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación 
> Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13,
planta X
> 50009 Zaragoza, Spain
> Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (&amp; 6818)
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> From: PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
<pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>
> Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013)
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> Dear Joseph and FIS colleagues,
> 
> Thanks for the friendly message. Let me introduce you all
the 
> organizing team of the Open University conference: Magnus 
> Ramage, David Chapman, and Chris Bissell --they did a
great 
> job there and we are fortunate that they have joined our
list 
> too. As I invited them during the conference, they could 
> chair our next discussion session, in a few weeks or days
if 
> they wish. A short text of around 500 or 800 words with
some 
> focus in themes discussed at Milton Keynes would suffice
to 
> kick off the discussion. As other people have recently
joined 
> the list, all of them should remind our strict limitation
of 
> a maximum of two messages per week. This is a list 
> emphasizing "slow thinking" and scholarship.
> 
> By the way, my management experience during all these
months 
> has lead me to think and start work on a new theme: the 
> information flow in complex organizations. The properties
or 
> limits of natural communication (conversation) in our
social 
> groups determine the structural patterns of complex 
> bureaucratic organizations...  terrible committees
included! 
> Next weeks I will post more on that.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> --Pedro
>     
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Mensaje original -----
> De: "joe.bren...@bluewin.ch" <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch>
> Fecha: Viernes, 12 de Abril de 2013, 7:12 pm
> Asunto: RE: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013)
> A: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es, fis@listas.unizar.es <br>
> > <!--div.bwmail { background-color:#ffffff; font-family:
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Pedro,
> > 
> > Glad to hear from you. Your silence was, of course, 
> expressive, containing much information . . .
> > 
> > Now all of us will be waiting impatiently to learn about

> the the new, exciting themes that were discussed at the 
> Milton Keynes Conference.
> > 
> > Best wishes,
> > 
> > Joseph
> > 
> > ----Message d'origine----
> > De: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
> > Date: 12.04.2013 11:02
> > À: <fis@listas.unizar.es>
> > Objet: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013)
> > 
> > Dear FIS Friends,
> > 
> > Apologies for my long silence. As I have already said 
> several times, 
> > my science management duties are killing not only my
time 
> but also my 
> > nerve (well, not completely!). Imagine what is happening
with the 
> > financing and organization of Spanish science these
years...
> > 
> > Anyhow, a couple of good news about our common
Information Science 
> > endeavor. First, there has been an excellent conference
in Milton 
> > Keynes, organized by the Open University, about
Information ("the 
> > difference that makes a difference"). Quite exciting
discussions on 
> > our most dear themes, and some new ones that we have
rarely 
> addressed here.
> > The organizers, a very active team indeed, are cordially
invited to 
> > lead a discussion session in our FIS list to continue
with the 
> > conceptual explorations addressed in their conference.
> > 
> > And the second news is about an imminent FIS CONFERENCE,

> MOSCOW 2013, 
> > the Sixth FIS, and the 1st of the ISIS organization. It 
> will be held 
> > this May, from 21 to 24 in Moscow. This time the Russian
organizers 
> > have followed a singular procedure, a relatively closed
conference 
> > centered in the diffusion of information science in the
Russian 
> > scientific community.  At the time being, to my
knowledge 
> (I could not 
> > follow very well the process), only the members of the
ISIS 
> board have 
> > been enlisted as foreign participants. But given that
there will be 
> > several absences, interested FIS parties might ask about

> their possible participation.
> > The schedule is too tight for travels, visas etc, and
again 
> I have to 
> > apologize for not having posted this info before (info 
> glut!). In any 
> > case, am sure that our colleague Konstantin  Kolin ( 
> koli...@mail.ru 
> > ), leading organizer, and member of the Russian Academy
of Science, 
> > will be happy to respond to interested parties and help
them to 
> > accelerate the process.
> > 
> > Best wishes to all
> > 
> > ---Pedro
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > Pedro C. Marijuán
> > Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto

> Aragonés de 
> > Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica
de Aragón 
> > (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X
> > 50009 Zaragoza, Spain
> > Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
> > pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
> > http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > 
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