I am afraid that it was my fault. I thought I recalled a quote, but actually it is an interpretation of Mackay. Sorry about that. Amazing that it spread so much, but that probably reflects that it is endemic in Mackay's work.
John -----Original Message----- From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Xueshan Yan Sent: 14 April 2013 10:53 AM To: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 570, Issue 2 Dear Pedro, Dear Joseph, About the Milton Keynes Conference, i.e., about DTMD definition, we saw this quote long long ago, but there two different sayings: One is "Information is a distinction that makes a difference" from Donald M. MacKay in his "Information, Mechanism and Meaning" (1969), and another is "Information is a difference that makes a difference" from Gregory Bateson in his "Steps to an Ecology of Mind" (1972). Although I have checked it page by page in Donald M. MacKay's book but can't found it, whereas it is easy to find "Information is a difference that makes a difference" in Gregory Bateson's "Steps to an Ecology of Mind" at page 230, 361, 339, etc., who can tell the accurate priority about DTMD? Best wishes, Xueshan 16:49, April 14, 2013 Peking University > -----Original Message----- > From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es > [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of > fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 12:00 AM > To: fis@listas.unizar.es > Subject: fis Digest, Vol 570, Issue 2 > > Send fis mailing list submissions to > fis@listas.unizar.es > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fis-ow...@listas.unizar.es > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific than "Re: Contents of fis digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FIS News (Moscow 2013) (joe.bren...@bluewin.ch) > 2. Re: FIS News (Moscow 2013) (PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ) > 3. Re: FIS News (Moscow 2013) (Gyorgy Darvas) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:11:58 +0000 (GMT+00:00) > From: "joe.bren...@bluewin.ch" <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch> > Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013) > To: <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>, <fis@listas.unizar.es> > Message-ID: <15776686.90091365786718476.javamail.webm...@bluewin.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > Dear Pedro, > > Glad to hear from you. Your silence was, of course, expressive, > containing much information . . . > > Now all of us will be waiting impatiently to learn about the > the new, exciting themes that were discussed at the Milton > Keynes Conference. > > Best wishes, > > Joseph > > ----Message d'origine---- > De: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es > Date: 12.04.2013 11:02 > À: <fis@listas.unizar.es> > Objet: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013) > > Dear FIS Friends, > > Apologies for my long silence. As I have already said several > times, my science management duties are killing not only my > time but also my nerve (well, not completely!). Imagine what > is happening with the financing and organization of Spanish > science these years... > > Anyhow, a couple of good news about our common Information > Science endeavor. First, there has been an excellent conference in > Milton Keynes, organized by the Open University, about Information > ("the difference that makes a > difference"). Quite exciting discussions on our most dear themes, and > some new ones that we have rarely addressed here. > The organizers, a very active team indeed, are cordially invited to > lead a discussion session in our FIS list to continue with the > conceptual explorations addressed in their > conference. > > And the second news is about an imminent FIS CONFERENCE, MOSCOW 2013, > the Sixth FIS, and the 1st of the ISIS organization. It will be held > this May, from 21 to 24 in Moscow. This time the Russian organizers > have followed a singular procedure, a relatively closed conference centered > in the diffusion of information science in the Russian scientific > community. At the time being, to my knowledge (I > could not follow very well the process), only the members of > the ISIS board have been enlisted as foreign participants. > But given that there will be several absences, interested FIS > parties might ask about their possible participation. > The schedule is too tight for travels, visas etc, and again I > have to apologize for not having posted this info before (info glut!). > In any case, am sure that our colleague Konstantin Kolin ( > koli...@mail.ru ), leading organizer, and > member of the Russian Academy of Science, will be happy to > respond to interested parties and help them to accelerate the process. > > Best wishes to all > > ---Pedro > > ------------------------------------------------- > Pedro C. Marijuán > Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de > Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón > (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X > 50009 Zaragoza, Spain > Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818) > pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es > http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ > ------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > fis mailing list > fis@listas.unizar.es > https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > http://webmail.unizar.es/pipermail/fis/attachments/20130412/ 48 > 3aa53f/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:26:41 +0200 > From: PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> > Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013) > To: fis@listas.unizar.es > Message-ID: <fbefd0bc5440.51693...@aragon.es> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Joseph and FIS colleagues, > > Thanks for the friendly message. Let me introduce you all the > organizing team of the Open University conference: Magnus Ramage, > David Chapman, and Chris Bissell --they did a great > job there and we are fortunate that they have joined our list > too. As I invited them during the conference, they could chair our > next discussion session, in a few weeks or days if > they wish. A short text of around 500 or 800 words with some > focus in themes discussed at Milton Keynes would suffice to > kick off the discussion. As other people have recently joined > the list, all of them should remind our strict limitation of > a maximum of two messages per week. This is a list emphasizing "slow > thinking" and scholarship. > > By the way, my management experience during all these months > has lead me to think and start work on a new theme: the information > flow in complex organizations. The properties or > limits of natural communication (conversation) in our social > groups determine the structural patterns of complex bureaucratic > organizations... terrible committees included! > Next weeks I will post more on that. > > best wishes > > --Pedro > > > > > ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: "joe.bren...@bluewin.ch" <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch> > Fecha: Viernes, 12 de Abril de 2013, 7:12 pm > Asunto: RE: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013) > A: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es, fis@listas.unizar.es <br> > > <!--div.bwmail { background-color:#ffffff; font-family: Trebuchet > > MS,Arial,Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; margin:0; > > padding:0;}div.bwmail p { margin:0; padding:0; }div.bwmail table { > > font-family: Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: > > small; }div.bwmail li { margin:0; padding:0; }-->< Dear Pedro, > > > > Glad to hear from you. Your silence was, of course, > expressive, containing much information . . . > > > > Now all of us will be waiting impatiently to learn about > the the new, exciting themes that were discussed at the Milton Keynes > Conference. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Joseph > > > > ----Message d'origine---- > > De: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es > > Date: 12.04.2013 11:02 > > À: <fis@listas.unizar.es> > > Objet: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013) > > > > Dear FIS Friends, > > > > Apologies for my long silence. As I have already said > several times, > > my science management duties are killing not only my time > but also my > > nerve (well, not completely!). Imagine what is happening with the > > financing and organization of Spanish science these years... > > > > Anyhow, a couple of good news about our common Information Science > > endeavor. First, there has been an excellent conference in Milton > > Keynes, organized by the Open University, about Information ("the > > difference that makes a difference"). Quite exciting discussions on > > our most dear themes, and some new ones that we have rarely > addressed here. > > The organizers, a very active team indeed, are cordially invited to > > lead a discussion session in our FIS list to continue with the > > conceptual explorations addressed in their conference. > > > > And the second news is about an imminent FIS CONFERENCE, > MOSCOW 2013, > > the Sixth FIS, and the 1st of the ISIS organization. It > will be held > > this May, from 21 to 24 in Moscow. This time the Russian organizers > > have followed a singular procedure, a relatively closed conference > > centered in the diffusion of information science in the Russian > > scientific community. At the time being, to my knowledge > (I could not > > follow very well the process), only the members of the ISIS > board have > > been enlisted as foreign participants. But given that there will be > > several absences, interested FIS parties might ask about > their possible participation. > > The schedule is too tight for travels, visas etc, and again > I have to > > apologize for not having posted this info before (info > glut!). In any > > case, am sure that our colleague Konstantin Kolin ( > koli...@mail.ru > > ), leading organizer, and member of the Russian Academy of Science, > > will be happy to respond to interested parties and help them to > > accelerate the process. > > > > Best wishes to all > > > > ---Pedro > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Pedro C. Marijuán > > Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto > Aragonés de > > Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón > > (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X > > 50009 Zaragoza, Spain > > Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818) > > pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es > > http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fis mailing list > > fis@listas.unizar.es > > https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > http://webmail.unizar.es/pipermail/fis/attachments/20130413/ d0 > f2fc57/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:28:45 +0200 > From: Gyorgy Darvas <darv...@iif.hu> > Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013) > To: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch, <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>, > <fis@listas.unizar.es> > Message-ID: <201304131030.r3dauiat003...@ortiz.unizar.es> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://webmail.unizar.es/pipermail/fis/attachments/20130413/ 24 > efe12f/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > fis mailing list > fis@listas.unizar.es > https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > > End of fis Digest, Vol 570, Issue 2 > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis ======= Please find our Email Disclaimer here-->: http://www.ukzn.ac.za/disclaimer ======= _______________________________________________ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
