I am afraid that it was my fault. I thought I recalled a quote, but actually it 
is an interpretation of Mackay. Sorry about that. Amazing that it spread so 
much, but that probably reflects that it is endemic in Mackay's work.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On 
Behalf Of Xueshan Yan
Sent: 14 April 2013 10:53 AM
To: fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 570, Issue 2

Dear Pedro, Dear Joseph,

About the Milton Keynes Conference, i.e., about DTMD definition, we saw this 
quote long long ago, but there two different sayings: One is "Information is a 
distinction that makes a difference" from Donald M. MacKay in his "Information, 
Mechanism and Meaning" (1969), and another is "Information is a difference that 
makes a difference" from Gregory Bateson in his "Steps to an Ecology of Mind" 
(1972).

Although I have checked it page by page in Donald M.
MacKay's book but can't found it, whereas it is easy to find "Information is a 
difference that makes a difference" in Gregory Bateson's "Steps to an Ecology 
of Mind" at page 230, 361, 339, etc., who can tell the accurate priority about 
DTMD?

Best wishes,

Xueshan
16:49, April 14, 2013   Peking University

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> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:11:58 +0000 (GMT+00:00)
> From: "joe.bren...@bluewin.ch" <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013)
> To: <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>, <fis@listas.unizar.es>
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> Dear Pedro,
>
> Glad to hear from you. Your silence was, of course, expressive,
> containing much information . . .
>
> Now all of us will be waiting impatiently to learn about
the
> the new, exciting themes that were discussed at the Milton

> Keynes Conference.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Joseph
>
> ----Message d'origine----
> De: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
> Date: 12.04.2013 11:02
> À: <fis@listas.unizar.es>
> Objet: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013)
>
> Dear FIS Friends,
>
> Apologies for my long silence. As I have already said
several
> times, my science management duties are killing not only
my
> time but also my nerve (well, not completely!). Imagine
what
> is happening with the financing and organization of
Spanish
> science these years...
>
> Anyhow, a couple of good news about our common Information

> Science endeavor. First, there has been an excellent conference in
> Milton Keynes, organized by the Open University, about Information
> ("the difference that makes
a
> difference"). Quite exciting discussions on our most dear themes, and
> some new ones that we have rarely addressed
here.
> The organizers, a very active team indeed, are cordially invited to
> lead a discussion session in our FIS list to continue with the
> conceptual explorations addressed in
their
> conference.
>
> And the second news is about an imminent FIS CONFERENCE, MOSCOW 2013,
> the Sixth FIS, and the 1st of the ISIS organization. It will be held
> this May, from 21 to 24 in Moscow. This time the Russian organizers
> have followed a singular procedure, a relatively closed conference
centered
> in the diffusion of information science in the Russian scientific
> community.  At the time being, to my knowledge
(I
> could not follow very well the process), only the members
of
> the ISIS board have been enlisted as foreign participants.

> But given that there will be several absences, interested
FIS
> parties might ask about their possible participation.
> The schedule is too tight for travels, visas etc, and
again I
> have to apologize for not having posted this info before (info glut!).
> In any case, am sure that our colleague Konstantin  Kolin (
> koli...@mail.ru ), leading organizer,
and
> member of the Russian Academy of Science, will be happy to

> respond to interested parties and help them to accelerate
the process.
>
> Best wishes to all
>
> ---Pedro
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Pedro C. Marijuán
> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de
> Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón
> (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13,
planta X
> 50009 Zaragoza, Spain
> Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (&amp; 6818)
> pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
> http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/
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> From: PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
<pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>
> Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013)
> To: fis@listas.unizar.es
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> Dear Joseph and FIS colleagues,
>
> Thanks for the friendly message. Let me introduce you all
the
> organizing team of the Open University conference: Magnus Ramage,
> David Chapman, and Chris Bissell --they did a
great
> job there and we are fortunate that they have joined our
list
> too. As I invited them during the conference, they could chair our
> next discussion session, in a few weeks or days
if
> they wish. A short text of around 500 or 800 words with
some
> focus in themes discussed at Milton Keynes would suffice
to
> kick off the discussion. As other people have recently
joined
> the list, all of them should remind our strict limitation
of
> a maximum of two messages per week. This is a list emphasizing "slow
> thinking" and scholarship.
>
> By the way, my management experience during all these
months
> has lead me to think and start work on a new theme: the information
> flow in complex organizations. The properties
or
> limits of natural communication (conversation) in our
social
> groups determine the structural patterns of complex bureaucratic
> organizations...  terrible committees
included!
> Next weeks I will post more on that.
>
> best wishes
>
> --Pedro
>
>
>
>
> ----- Mensaje original -----
> De: "joe.bren...@bluewin.ch" <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch>
> Fecha: Viernes, 12 de Abril de 2013, 7:12 pm
> Asunto: RE: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013)
> A: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es, fis@listas.unizar.es <br>
> > <!--div.bwmail { background-color:#ffffff; font-family:
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Pedro,
> >
> > Glad to hear from you. Your silence was, of course,
> expressive, containing much information . . .
> >
> > Now all of us will be waiting impatiently to learn about

> the the new, exciting themes that were discussed at the Milton Keynes
> Conference.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > ----Message d'origine----
> > De: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
> > Date: 12.04.2013 11:02
> > À: <fis@listas.unizar.es>
> > Objet: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013)
> >
> > Dear FIS Friends,
> >
> > Apologies for my long silence. As I have already said
> several times,
> > my science management duties are killing not only my
time
> but also my
> > nerve (well, not completely!). Imagine what is happening
with the
> > financing and organization of Spanish science these
years...
> >
> > Anyhow, a couple of good news about our common
Information Science
> > endeavor. First, there has been an excellent conference
in Milton
> > Keynes, organized by the Open University, about
Information ("the
> > difference that makes a difference"). Quite exciting
discussions on
> > our most dear themes, and some new ones that we have
rarely
> addressed here.
> > The organizers, a very active team indeed, are cordially
invited to
> > lead a discussion session in our FIS list to continue
with the
> > conceptual explorations addressed in their conference.
> >
> > And the second news is about an imminent FIS CONFERENCE,

> MOSCOW 2013,
> > the Sixth FIS, and the 1st of the ISIS organization. It
> will be held
> > this May, from 21 to 24 in Moscow. This time the Russian
organizers
> > have followed a singular procedure, a relatively closed
conference
> > centered in the diffusion of information science in the
Russian
> > scientific community.  At the time being, to my
knowledge
> (I could not
> > follow very well the process), only the members of the
ISIS
> board have
> > been enlisted as foreign participants. But given that
there will be
> > several absences, interested FIS parties might ask about

> their possible participation.
> > The schedule is too tight for travels, visas etc, and
again
> I have to
> > apologize for not having posted this info before (info
> glut!). In any
> > case, am sure that our colleague Konstantin  Kolin (
> koli...@mail.ru
> > ), leading organizer, and member of the Russian Academy
of Science,
> > will be happy to respond to interested parties and help
them to
> > accelerate the process.
> >
> > Best wishes to all
> >
> > ---Pedro
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > Pedro C. Marijuán
> > Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto

> Aragonés de
> > Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica
de Aragón
> > (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X
> > 50009 Zaragoza, Spain
> > Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
> > pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
> > http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/
> > -------------------------------------------------
> >
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