Dear Pedro,

Morris coined them, based on the trifold semiotic model of Peirce. As you
point, I don't think Ortega's ratiovitalim can be extended to life
altogether, since it is closely related to biography, history, personal
reason... Its social counterpart -as you know for sure- is 'historical
reason', to which he devoted a number of works. In biology, Ortega was in
any case very much alligned to Aexküll, who as well influenced the work
of many other philosophers of that time as Max Scheler, Heidegger,
Cassirer or Merleau-Ponty... Therefore such bio-semiotic perspective is not
alien at all to him, as can be seen all over his fruitful and beautiful
work, but is quite different to what he meant with ratiovitalism, which is
more related to Dilthey and the hermeneutical tradition.

Best regards,

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> Dear FISers,
> In some way we are taking the discussion at the fringe of relevant
> fields ---communication studies, information systems, semiotics,
> representation theory, linguistics, etc. If we do not like the way
> communication is handled in itself, taken disconnected of the
> advancement of the life cycle, and "formally"reconnected later on as
> pragmatics, social understanding, cultural dimension, etc. ---what could
> be the alternative? Philosophically I remember an essay of Ortega y
> Gasset on "ratiovitalism", but I am not sure that his ideas can be
> extended into scientific thinking, at least not easily. Communication is
> a property or characteristic derived from the intrinsic openness of life
> (of the life cycle), both in terms of matter and energy and of
> anticipatory adjustment to "signals" from the environment. Signals do
> not participate in metabolic flows, they go different. Is life's
> arrangement of communication hierarchical? I do not think so, except in
> a trivial sense of organisms, organs, tissues, cells, organelles, etc.
> But the inner information flow goes in every conceivable "direction" top
> down, bottom up, laterally, etc. Perhaps the essential achievement of
> organic communication with the external has been pouring the
> environmental happenstances into the same channels of the inner
> self-production info flows and mixing them... Anyhow, this is clearly
> insufficient to make the info flow suggestion "compete" with those
> standard --anthropocentric-- categories of syntactic, semantic,
> pragmatic, etc. By the way, I cannot locate clearly the scholarly origin
> of those terms (widespread use in many realms, and accompanied by other
> similar terms).
> best ---Pedro
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