Dear John,
Your response to Krassimir is interesting, but I think the question is what is 
the definition of "communication" on earth, it seems the definitons of both of 
you are not the same.
And one more question is, is "information" itself meaningful?
I completely agree with your approach to really understand Shannon.




----- Original Message -----
From: John Collier <>
To: Krassimir Markov <>, "Pedro C. Marijuan" 
<>, "" <>
Subject: Re: [Fis] The Interaction Man
Date: 2013-12-08 20:41

At 12:38 AM 2013/12/05, Krassimir Markov wrote:
>Dear Pedro and FIS Colleagues,
>This discussion is full with interesting ideas.
>What I want to add is that I distinguish the concepts "communication" and
>"information interaction" which reflect similar phenomena but at different
>levels of live hierarchy.
>Communication is a process of exchanging of "signals, messages" with
>different degree of complexity (Shannon).
>Information interaction is exchanging of information models. It is specific
>only for intelligent agents but not for low levels of live mater (bio
>molecules, cells, organs).
>Main feature of intelligent agents is decision making based on information
>Information interaction is impossible without communication.
>Friendly regards
I would agree with distinguishing between communication and 
information interaction, but I infer exactly the opposite conclusion. 
Communication, it seems to me (and also according to the setup that 
is the basis for Shannon's approach) requires coding and decoding 
modules, but information transmission does not; it requires only a 
channel. Information needs to be decoded (given meaning) to be 
communication. At least that is what I read off of Shannon's model of 
communication theory.
Maybe Krassimir is not talking about Shannon type information, and 
has a different model in mind. If this is the case, it would be nice 
if he were to make it explicit, since most people today at least 
start with Shannon's approach (or one of the two rough equivalents 
discussed by Kolmogorov) as basis that at least gives the syntax of 
information, with channel, coding and decoding required for a full 
communications channel, but left undefined by Shannon (though recent 
work has tried to fill these gaps).
Professor John Collier
Philosophy and Ethics, University of KwaZulu-Natal, Durban 4041 South Africa
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