PS typo correction line 5 from bottom:

... To specify information *that* a given constraint-state of a

On 1/19/15, Terrence W. DEACON <dea...@berkeley.edu> wrote:
> Hi Loet,
>
> I do indeed consider this relationship to be measurable and thus
> expressible mathematically. This in itself doesn't mean that it
> ignores content. Indeed, a specific content and a specific target
> function-state are prerequisites, and so must be assumed in the
> analysis. In my opinion, as necessary assumptions, this makes the part
> of the background physics. So there must be both universality and
> physical specificity to this analysis— the specificity of referent and
> significant end-state treated as givens in the equation.
>
> The term "expected" plays a crucial role here. It introduces a
> Bayesian implication behind Shannon's analysis. But it also is what
> necessitates the self-repairing, self-reproducing features of
> autogenesis. To specify information what a given constraint-state of a
> medium represents there must be a reference state. However, it cannot
> be MEP or even maximum thermodynamic entropy (analogous to Shannon's
> entropy) but instead the work differential between current state of
> degraded autogenesis and a reconstituted or reproduced autogen.
>
> — Terry
>
> On 1/18/15, Loet Leydesdorff <l...@leydesdorff.net> wrote:
>> Dear Terry and colleagues,
>>
>>
>>
>> “As I have said a number of times, my goal is not to deal with all
>> aspects
>> of the information concept, and certainly not at the level of human
>> thought.
>> I merely propose to dissolve the implicit dualism in our current concepts
>> at
>> the most basic level, so that for example it will be possible to develop
>> a
>> scientifically grounded theory of molecular biosemiotics.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Is the crucial point that an expected information content is always
>> referential to a maximum entropy and therefore a relational concept? The
>> significance/meaning is thus provided by the redundancy?
>>
>>
>>
>> I doubt whether this is part of the physics (as you seem to claim). It
>> follows from the math and is yet content free; in other words, it can be
>> provided with meaning given any system of reference or, in other words,
>> discourse. The universality of the claim would thus be based on the
>> mathematical (dimensionless) character of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Loet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Professor Terrence W. Deacon
> University of California, Berkeley
>


-- 
Professor Terrence W. Deacon
University of California, Berkeley

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