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On 1/19/15, Terrence W. DEACON <dea...@berkeley.edu> wrote: > Hi Loet, > > I do indeed consider this relationship to be measurable and thus > expressible mathematically. This in itself doesn't mean that it > ignores content. Indeed, a specific content and a specific target > function-state are prerequisites, and so must be assumed in the > analysis. In my opinion, as necessary assumptions, this makes the part > of the background physics. So there must be both universality and > physical specificity to this analysis— the specificity of referent and > significant end-state treated as givens in the equation. > > The term "expected" plays a crucial role here. It introduces a > Bayesian implication behind Shannon's analysis. But it also is what > necessitates the self-repairing, self-reproducing features of > autogenesis. To specify information what a given constraint-state of a > medium represents there must be a reference state. However, it cannot > be MEP or even maximum thermodynamic entropy (analogous to Shannon's > entropy) but instead the work differential between current state of > degraded autogenesis and a reconstituted or reproduced autogen. > > — Terry > > On 1/18/15, Loet Leydesdorff <l...@leydesdorff.net> wrote: >> Dear Terry and colleagues, >> >> >> >> “As I have said a number of times, my goal is not to deal with all >> aspects >> of the information concept, and certainly not at the level of human >> thought. >> I merely propose to dissolve the implicit dualism in our current concepts >> at >> the most basic level, so that for example it will be possible to develop >> a >> scientifically grounded theory of molecular biosemiotics.” >> >> >> >> Is the crucial point that an expected information content is always >> referential to a maximum entropy and therefore a relational concept? The >> significance/meaning is thus provided by the redundancy? >> >> >> >> I doubt whether this is part of the physics (as you seem to claim). It >> follows from the math and is yet content free; in other words, it can be >> provided with meaning given any system of reference or, in other words, >> discourse. The universality of the claim would thus be based on the >> mathematical (dimensionless) character of it. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Loet >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Professor Terrence W. Deacon > University of California, Berkeley > -- Professor Terrence W. Deacon University of California, Berkeley _______________________________________________ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
