re: quarks
the big question for FIS is this: do quarks communicate?  and can  their 
communications be called informational?
are quarks more than just the first bits of matter in the cosmos?  are  
they also the first socializers?     the first  team-makers?
with oomph--howard
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In a message dated 1/16/2016 11:48:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, writes:

Stan et  al - you honour me by asking the question. We know that matter 
(and here I do  not include dark matter or dark energy) is made up of a small 
number of quarks  and gluons. As we go higher and higher energy we will 
continue to create these  "freaks of nature" freaks in the sense that we create 
the conditions for them  to come into existence using our high energy 
colliders. I am sure they  sometimes occur naturally in stars from time to time 
they do not have any  long term effects - they are a passing fancy, a 
novelty, and an amusing one at  that. Perhaps they will help us understand the 
quark gluon interaction. The  analogy I see with the transition from 
prokaryotes to eukaryotes that I sent  to Malcolm was my indulging in 
based poetry. BTW I teach an  undergrad course since 1971 called the Poetry of 
Physics (also the title of a  book available on Amazon) to teach physics to 
humanities students without  using math to promote science literacy among 

Another analogy that came to mind was that of proliferation of nucleic  
acids made up of the same 4 elements: C, G, A, and T.  They are the  quarks of 
biology and their chemical bonds the gluons.  

Metaphorically your - Bob Logan  

Robert K. Logan   
Prof.  Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto   
Fellow  University of St. Michael's College
Chief  Scientist - sLab at OCAD 

On 2016-01-16, at 10:33 AM, Stanley N Salthe wrote:

One way to complicate anything is to smash it into bits.   I wonder, Bob, 
if you would comment on this point as a former particle  physicist!  


On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Malcolm Dean <_malcolmdean@gmail.com_ 
( > wrote:

Yes. I don't know enough  about Biology, but I noticed the 3+2 business 
some time ago. I'm  automatically suspicious of theories which are "vexingly 
complex" (QCD)  and only "beautiful" (String Theory) to a few people with 
certain math  backgrounds. But the Two and the Three have been important to 
humans for  thousands of years. I think Nature is actually very simple, but we 
get  overwhelmed and confused by its enormous scales and by our attempts to  
manage observation by (necessarily) creating over-simplified  Objects.


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On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Bob Logan <_logan@physics.utoronto.ca_ 
( > wrote:

eukaryote came about by two  prokaryotes joining together and 5 quark combo 
can be thought of as a  nucleon (3 quarks) and a meson(2quarks) combining 
and the 4 quqrk state  as 2 mesons combining. By this logic perhaps there 
will be  6 quark  beast if 2 nucleons  combine.



On  2016-01-15, at 4:17 PM, Malcolm Dean  wrote:


Could you specify the relata? 
On Jan 15, 2016 5:31 AM, "Bob Logan" <_logan@physics.utoronto.ca_ 
( > wrote:

Hi Malcolm - thanks for this  article that supports my notion that my 
former field of particle  physics is becoming like biology. The 4 and 5 quark 
combos represent  an analogy of the transition in biology from prokaryotes to  
eukaryotes. :-) - Bob

On 2016-01-14, at 7:39 PM,  Malcolm Dean wrote:

Science 351(6270):217-219, 15 January  2016; DOI: 10.1126/science.351.6270
The social life of quarks
Adrian Cho

Particle physicists at Europe's CERN laboratory in  Switzerland say they 
have observed bizarre new cousins of the  protons and neutrons that make up 
the atomic nucleus. Protons and  neutrons consist of other particles called 
quarks, bound by the  strong nuclear force. By smashing particles at high 
energies,  physicists have blasted into fleeting existence hundreds of other  
quark-containing particles. Until recently, all contained either  two or three 
quarks. But since 2014, researchers working with  CERN's Large Hadron 
Collider have also spotted four- and  five-quark particles. Such tetraquarks 
pentaquarks could  require physicists to rethink their understanding of 
quantum  chromodynamics, or they could have less revolutionary  implications. 
Researchers hope that computer simulations and more  collider studies will 
reveal how the oddball newcomers are put  together, but some wonder whether 
experiments will ever provide a  definitive answer.





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