your list of disciplines that information theory needs to ponder is  
brilliant--active matter, coupled oscillators, pharmacology, physiology, and  
developmental biology.
to go back to the abiotic universe for a moment:
here's one implication of the theory of a communicative cosmos i've  been 
outlining to you.
The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates is now out in  paperback.  
The  God Problem says that we live in a social cosmos,  a  communicative 
cosmos, a cosmos in which societies of atoms gossip and whisper to  each other. 
there's a critical implication of this  theory of a conversational cosmos 
for physics. 
current quantum physics is dedicated to the notion that a particle can  
exist in multiple states as long as it's in isolation, as long as it's not 
being  observed, as long is it’s not being measured.  but because this  
is profoundly communicative and because communicative forces like  gravity 
exist in every distant nook and cranny of the cosmos, no particle is  ever 
completely alone. 
other particles or, more important, other societies of particles,  
including mega societies like stars and galaxies, are taking a particle's  
and the particle is taking theirs.  everywhere. 
so the basic assumption of the Copenhagen school of quantum physics is  
wrong.  which  means no quantum physics will be real until it takes the social, 
communicative,  gossipy nature of the cosmos into account, the massively 
networked aspect of the  cosmos.  what does that mean for information  theory? 
among other things, it means we have to delve into the mystery of what  
Luis Villareal calls group identity, the mystery of how masses of collaborating 
 particles put out messages bigger than their individual powers would  
predict.  we,  like quantum physicists, need to delve into the mystery of 
emergent  properties. 
which is where my book The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates  comes 
with warmth and oomph--howard
In a message dated 2/5/2016 8:33:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, writes:

Dear FISers,

Just a  couple of brief comments to Howard and Jerry.

To Howards: thanks for  the exciting New Year Lecture closure! However, 
your text below to Otto makes  irresistible for me indulging in a final 
criticism. It is clear in the text  that the boundaries of force are the very 
determinants of  information/communication. Forces everywhere. From quark 
to the forces  of history. It is exactly the 20th century dominant 
physicalism with an  info/comm. aggiornamento. I cannot blame it all, of 
course, as 
your historical  analysis is very original, but all the other physicalist 
conglomerate is not  so useful/interesting. When life romps in this tiny corner 
of the universe, a  new set of info-dynamics are set into motion, 
completely different, and  capable of overcoming the boundary conditions of 

hb: well  put, Pedro.
The life cycle dominates  and commands the environment: selfproducing, 
communicating, engaging with  other life cycles, transforming everything,  etc.
hb:  another good point.
 This constructive  power goes beyond anything seen in the cosmos. It is an 
informational  constructivism  that  does not follow smoothly from the 
atomistic narrative--there is a big  divide... 
hb: yes,  true.
Historically  it is a similar trend of informational constructivism what 
leads to overcome  the Luciferine solvent power. See France and Germany: after 
300 years of wars,  treaties, armistices, hostilities, etc. finally are 
efficiently united in a  common European purpose (or look at the endless wars 
between Spain and the  United Kingdom). Thanks to collective intelligence in 
action (wisdom, justice,  kindness) a group of enlightened politicians after 
WWII achieved a great  design, like Founding Fathers in US 18th Century. 
These grand designs are the  key to overcome so many contemporary Luciferine 
catastrophes around... But we  would continue arguing for too long, so I stop 
 and thank you again for  the  Lecture!

hb: the book of mine that shows the creative forces in human  history and 
their ability to radically upgrade humanity is The Genius of the  Beast: A 
Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism.  

To Jerry: you are quite  right in the demand for some "scientific meat" 
around the notion of  communicating, interconnected life cycles. I will try to 
provide a few  portions:

1. "Active Matter", it is a new scientific field that is  getting more and 
more fashionable. Basically it consists on computer  simulations and real 
experimental molecular settings where active molecules  (usually 
enzyme/proteins) interact with some motive power (ATP,  electrical/magnetic 
fields, metal 
beads) and get interconnected in their "work  cycles", with the emergence 
of amazing collective patterns apparently only  restricted to the biological. 
This interconnection of "working cycles" is the  genuine precursor to what 
I was meaning above.

2. Coupled oscillators.  A lot of theoretical and experimental work done 
around very elementary  oscillators (eg, famous Kuramoto model) applied to 
chemical, neuronal and  theoretical physics fields. It is also known as 
"synchronization networks",  very well worked by Winfree, Strogatz, Duncan 
etc., about biological clocks, fireflies, crickets, heart cells, and neurons. 
Very complex theoretical oscillators built  (not far from the cell-cycle 
style, though realms of complexity below).  

3. Pharmacology: it has been claimed that 80% of the current drugs  produce 
their effects through the signaling system, by binding to the  receptors, 
channels, etc. So, they interfere in the communication system of  the cell to 
modify the life cycle events at a vast scale of whole tissues and  organs. 
Now we have direct external action on interconnected cell-cycles, with  
myriads of models, drug designs, silicon and wet experimental works,  etc.

4. Physiology. There is little doubt that the whole physiology  relates 
finally to interconnected cellular life cycles. Unfortunately (or  fortunately, 
who knows) most of physiology was conceived before there was even  a dream 
or a hunch about cell-to-cell communication via  especial  signaling 
systems... We should ad neuroscience too, but it would be to much  scientific 
for the lunch. 

To recap, once life is "on", there is a  certain discourse about 
informational constructivity (to emphasize: which is  based on the intertwining 
self-production and communication via  interconnected life cycles) that can 
reach quite high in order to better  understand the info dynamics of those rare 
entities based in the informational  way of existence... I think Howard's 
lecture has put us in front of very  intriguing possibilities of social 
information science  explanation.

Best regards

the force cosmovision El 03/02/2016 a las 7:10, _HowlBloom@aol.com_ 
(  escribió:

Otto, an interesting call, for a theory  that brings together the brute 
force of an abiotic universe and  information. 
Here's a short timeline that pulls  the brute force elements together as 
informational exchange: 
The evolution  of information, sociality, social structure, and the 
emergent properties of  societies 
(all dates ABB, After the Big  Bang) 
10(-31) ABB   primitive communication between quarks via the  strong force. 
  The first informational language: attraction and  repulsion. 
10(-31) ABB the first social groups, threesomes of  quarks, produce two 
shocking emergent properties—protons and neutrons 
10,000 ABB massive social dances,  pressure waves, ring the cosmos like a 
gong.  With, yes, music.  What communicative force organizes trillions of 
trillions of  particles into pressure waves—into rhythmically coming together 
in  aggregations that span the universe?  Do  information exchange and 
communication choreograph pressure waves in which  masses of particles 
rhythmically separate just a tiny bit, then come  together again? 
380,000 ABB   emerging from a plasma, slowing down, and giving  each other 
a bit of breathing room, elementary particles use the  electromagnetic force 
to communicate.  And  they discover something odd.  Tiny particles have an 
inanimate  longing.   And their inanimate longing precisely fits the  
inanimate longing of particles 1,800 times their size.  The  tiny particles 
with the hulking monsters.  The  result?   Another emergent property, another 
supersized  surprise: atoms.  Hydrogen, helium, and lithium, properties 
wildly unpredictable from  just the properties of an electron and a proton.  
Properties that  emerge from a communicative exchange.  An informational 
exchange  between protons and electrons. 
380,000 ABB the atom reveals a basic of cosmic  structure—hierarchy.   
Protons dominate.  They determine where the team goes.   Electrons subjugate 
themselves.  They meekly go along.  They subordinate.  They humbly circle the 
proton  nucleus. 
380,000 ABB atoms communicate via gravity. 
400,000 ABB more communication via gravity, but  mass communication.   The  
result?  Competition.  The era of the great gravity  crusades.   Wisps, 
plumes, and clots of atoms have  showdowns, faceoffs in which the bigger 
swallows the smaller  whole.   Then the winner goes off to another showdown,  
another competitive confrontation.  In  which it either eats or is eaten.  The  
result of these showdowns between gravity balls?  Galaxies, stars, planets, 
and moons.  A  galaxy is, guess what, a social swirl organized in a hierarchy
—black holes  at the center, stars circling the black holes, planets 
circling the stars,  and moons circling the planets.  All via communication and 
information.   All via receivers interpreting the messages of  senders and 
acting on them. 
one bottom line: communication,  information, music, competition, and 
hierarchy are not the products of  post-agricultural, post industrial, or post 
capitalist societies.  they  are at work even in dead stuff.  even pre-living  
hope that helps. 
thanks again for letting me parade such  strange ideas in such august 
Dear all,
Just a quick reply to Howard's fascinating account of  cosmic history. 
It seems what is crucially needed is a theory that brings together  "brute 
force" on the one hand - laws of nature "blindly" colliding and  colluding, 
from quarks to planets - and "information" on the other - from  pre-human 
codes (perhaps including quantum computation) and communication to  advanced 
human and cybernetic networks. 
The former seems to be able to do away with everything except a few  simple 
rules of operation (gravity, natural selection, will-to-power),  everything 
more complex being the unfolding of the interaction between these  few 
simple rules (eternal or emergent is beside the point here). The latter  seems 
to depend upon subjective interpretation, the retention of systems  memory, 
symbolic coding-decoding, and other processes that compose only a  subset of 
the (creatures and processes) of the universe. Never the twain  shall meet. 
Or perhaps brute force can be analyzed as equivalent to information?  Or 
vice versa? Or as two sides of the same coin? 
Otto  Lehto,
Tampere, Finland



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Howard Bloom
Author of: The Lucifer  Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces 
of History  ("mesmerizing"-The Washington Post),
Global Brain: The Evolution  of Mass Mind From The Big Bang to the 21st 
Century ("reassuring and  sobering"-The New Yorker),
The Genius of the Beast: A Radical  Re-Vision of Capitalism ("A 
tremendously enjoyable book." James Fallows,  National Correspondent, The 
The God Problem: How A  Godless Cosmos Creates ("Bloom's argument will rock 
your world." Barbara  Ehrenreich),
How I Accidentally Started the Sixties ("Wow! Whew!  Wild!
Wonderful!" Timothy Leary), and
The Mohammed Code ("A  terrifying book…the best book I've read on Islam." 
David Swindle, PJ  Media).
Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate  Institute; Former Visiting 
Scholar-Graduate Psychology Department, New York  University.
Founder: International Paleopsychology Project; Founder, Space  Development 
Steering Committee; Founder: The Group Selection Squad; Founding  Board 
Member: Epic of Evolution Society; Founding Board Member, The Darwin  Project; 
Founder: The Big Bang Tango Media Lab; member: New York Academy of  
Sciences, American Association for the Advancement of Science, American  
Psychological Society, Academy of Political Science, Human Behavior and  
Society, International Society for Human Ethology, Scientific  Advisory Board 
Member, Lifeboat Foundation; Editorial Board Member, Journal of  Space 
Philosophy; Board member and member of Board of Governors, National  Space 

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