gyuri, how can we get online or email access to your article on how inanimate things exchange information? with warmth and oomph--howard ps i believe i'm in the volume for the information summit in vienna with you. but if you get me a word or pdf version of your article, i can upload it to my kindle, carry it with me wherever i go, and read it. ---------- Howard Bloom Howardbloom.net author of : The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History ("mesmerizing"-The Washington Post), Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind from the Big Bang to the 21st Century ("reassuring and sobering"-The New Yorker), The Genius of the Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism ("Impressive, stimulating, and tremendously enjoyable."James Fallows, National Correspondent, The Atlantic), The God Problem: How A Godless Cosmos Creates ("Bloom's argument will rock your world." Barbara Ehrenreich), How I Accidentally Started the Sixties (“a monumental,epic, glorious literary achievement.” Timothy Leary), and The Muhammad Code: How a Desert Prophet Gave You ISIS, al Qaeda, and Boko Haram--or How Muhammad Invented Jihad ( “a terrifying book…the best book I’ve read on Islam,” David Swindle, PJ Media). Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute; Former Visiting Scholar —Graduate Psychology Department, NewYork University Founder: International PaleopsychologyProject; founder and chair, Space Development Steering Committee; Founding Board Member: Epic of Evolution Society; Founding Board Member, The Darwin Project; Board Of Governors, National Space Society; Founder: The Big Bang Tango Media Lab; member: New York Academy of Sciences, American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Psychological Society, Academy of Political Science, Human Behavior and Evolution Society, International Society for Human Ethology, Scientific Advisory Board Member, Lifeboat Foundation.
In a message dated 3/25/2017 5:48:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, darv...@iif.hu writes: Dear Krassimir, They can!!!! For details, see my contrinution to the 2015 Vienna IS4IS meeting and following publications of the proceedings! Best, Gyuri 24.03.2017 16:25 időpontban Krassimir Markov ezt írta: Dear Arturo and FIS Colleagues, Let me remember that: The basic misunderstanding that non-living objects could "exchange information" leads to many principal theoretical as well as psychological faults. For instance, photon could exchange only energy and/or reflections ! Sorry for this n-th my remark ... Friendly greetings Krassimir From: _tozziarturo@libero.it_ (mailto:tozziart...@libero.it) Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 4:52 PM To: _fis@listas.unizar.es_ (mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es) Subject: [Fis] I: Re: Is information truly important? Dear Lars-Göran, I prefer to use asap my second FIS bullet, therefore it will be my last FIS mail for the next days. First of all, in special relativity, an observer is NOT by definition a material object that can receive and store incoming energy from other objects. In special relativity, an observer is a frame of reference from which a set of objects or events are being measured. Speaking of an observer is not specifically hypothesizing an individual person who is experiencing events, but rather it is a particular mathematical context which objects and events are to be evaluated from. The effects of special relativity occur whether or not there is a "material object that can recieve and store incoming energy from other objects" within the inertial reference frame to witness them. Furthermore, take a photon (traveling at speed light) that crosses a cosmic zone close to the sun. The photon "detects" (and therefore can interact with) a huge sun surface (because of its high speed), while we humans on the Earth "detect" (and can interact with) a much smaller sun surface. Therefore, the photon may exchange more information with the sun than the humans on the Earth: both the photon and the humans interact with the same sun, but they "detect" different surfaces, and therefore they may exchange with the sun a different information content. If we also take into account that the photon detects an almost infinite, fixed time, this means once again that it can exchange much more information with the sun than we humans can. In sum, once again, information does not seem to be a physical quantity, rather just a very subjective measure, depending on the speed and of the time of the "observer". Arturo Tozzi AA Professor Physics, University North Texas Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/ ----Messaggio originale---- Da: "Lars-Göran Johansson" <lars-goran.johans...@filosofi.uu.se> Data: 24/03/2017 14.50 A: "tozziart...@libero.it"<tozziart...@libero.it> Ogg: Re: [Fis] Is information truly important? 24 mars 2017 kl. 13:15 skrev _tozziarturo@libero.it_ (mailto:tozziart...@libero.it) : Dear Fisers, a big doubt... We know that the information of a 3D black hole is proportional to its 2D horizon, according to the Bekenstein-Hawking equations. However, an hypotetical observer traveling at light speed (who watches a black hole at rest) detects a very large black hole horizon, due to Einstein's equations. Therefore, he detects more information from the black hole than an observer at rest, who sees a smaller horizon... An observer is by definition a material object that can recieve and store incoming energy from other objects. Since it requires infinite energy to accelerate even a slighest object to the velocity of light, no observer can travel at the speed of light. That means that your thought experiment is based in inconsistent assumptions and no vaild conclusions from them can be drawn. Lars-Göran Johansson In sum, information does not seem to be a physical quantity, rather just a very subjective measure... Arturo Tozzi AA Professor Physics, University North Texas Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/ _______________________________________________ Fis mailing list _Fis@listas.unizar.es_ (mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es) http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis Lars-Göran Johansson _lars-goran.johans...@filosofi.uu.se_ (mailto:lars-goran.johans...@filosofi.uu.se) 0701-679178 ____________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis _______________________________________________ Fis mailing list _Fis@listas.unizar.es_ (mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es) http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis _______________________________________________ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
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