Dear FISers, I'm sorry for bothering you, but I start not to agree from the 
very first principles.
The only language able to describe and quantify scientific issues is 
mathematics.Without math, you do not have observables, and information is 
observable. Therefore, information IS energy or matter, and can be examined 
through entropies (such as., e.g., the Bekenstein-Hawking one).
And, please, colleagues, do not start to write that information is subjective 
and it depends on the observer's mind. This issue has been already tackled by 
the math of physics: science already predicts that information can be 
"subjective", in the MATHEMATICAL frameworks of both relativity and quantum 
dynamics' Copenhagen interpretation.  Therefore, the subjectivity of 
information is clearly framed in a TOTALLY physical context of matter and 
Sorry for my polemic ideas, but, if you continue to define information on the 
basis of qualitative (and not quantitative) science, information becomes 
metaphysics, or sociology, or psychology (i.e., branches with doubtful 
possibility of achieving knowledge, due to their current lack of math). 

Arturo TozziAA Professor Physics, University North TexasPediatrician ASL 
Na2Nord, ItalyComput Intell Lab, University 

----Messaggio originale----

Da: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <>

Data: 15/09/2017 14.13

A: "fis"<>


    Dear FIS Colleagues,


    As promised herewith the "10 principles of information science". A
    couple of previous comments may be in order. 

    First, what is in general the role of principles in science? I was
    motivated by the unfinished work of philosopher Ortega y Gasset,
    "The idea of principle in Leibniz and the evolution of deductive
    theory" (posthumously published in 1958). Our tentative information
    science seems to be very different from other sciences, rather
    multifarious in appearance and concepts, and cavalierly moving from
    scale to scale. What could be the specific role of principles
    herein? Rather than opening homogeneous realms for conceptual
    development, these information principles would appear as a sort of
    "portals" that connect with essential topics of other disciplines in
    the different organization layers, but at the same time they should
    try to be consistent with each other and provide a coherent vision
    of the information world.

    And second, about organizing the present discussion, I bet I was too
    optimistic with the commentators scheme. In any case, for having a
    first glance on the whole scheme, the opinions of philosophers would
    be very interesting. In order to warm up the discussion, may I ask
    John Collier, Joseph Brenner and Rafael Capurro to send some initial
    comments / criticisms? Later on, if the commentators idea flies,
    Koichiro Matsuno and Wolfgang Hofkirchner would be very valuable
    voices to put a perspectival end to this info principles discussion
    (both attended the Madrid bygone FIS 1994 conference)... 

    But this is FIS list, unpredictable in between the frozen states and
    the chaotic states! So, everybody is invited to get ahead at his
    own, with the only customary limitation of two messages per week.


    Best wishes, have a good weekend --Pedro


1. Information is information, neither matter nor energy.
2. Information is comprehended into structures, patterns,
      messages, or flows.
3. Information can be recognized, can be measured, and can be 
      processed (either computationally or non-computationally).
4. Information flows are essential organizers of life's
      self-production processes--anticipating, shaping, and mixing up
      with the accompanying energy flows.
5. Communication/information exchanges among adaptive life-cycles
      underlie the complexity of biological organizations at all scales.
6. It is symbolic language what conveys the essential
      communication exchanges of the human species--and constitutes the
      core of its "social nature." 
7. Human information may be systematically converted into
      efficient knowledge, by following the "knowledge instinct" and
      further up by applying rigorous methodologies.
8. Human cognitive limitations on knowledge accumulation are
      partially overcome via the social organization of "knowledge

9. Knowledge circulates and recombines socially, in a continuous
      actualization that involves "creative destruction" of fields and
      disciplines: the intellectual Ars Magna. 

10. Information science proposes a new, radical vision on the
      information and knowledge flows that support individual lives,
      with profound consequences for scientific-philosophical practice
      and for social governance. 

Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta 0
50009 Zaragoza, Spain
Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (&amp; 6818)

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