Dear Pedro, Arturo, Michel, and FIS Colleagues,

First of all, friendly greetings to everybody for the new FIS Season!
It is nice to meet all of you again in the FIS List  – alive and, I hope,
healthy as it is possible!

Energy and the Matter ARE ONE AND THE SAME!
Let remember the Great Albert's formula:


which means that the Energy and the Matter are two sides of one coin.

What about the information?
Why Einstein did not mentioned it in his theories?

The answer is simple – the information is a kind of material reflection
and could not be separated from the matter.

Of course, if one believes in God, it could, but we already have discussed
this ...

Because of this, the First principle is not good!
I do not agree, that: 1. Information is information, neither matter nor

Information is a state of matter which may be recognized by the (live)

Let see two examples:

CASE 1: About the relativity of concepts and importance to have common
understanding at least of the main concepts

Once upon the time, a man entered in a restaurant and asked the waiter:
- Please, give me a portion of fried information, processed following the
algorithm of John Montagu.
- OK, Sir! What kind of information you prefer – primary or secondary? –
answered the waiter.
- Secondary, please!
- Sir, can you make more clear what you mean when say “secondary”? The
problem is that nobody knows what information is primary and what –
secondary, and we always have difficulties.
-  I don’t know!  Give me both...
What the man received ?

CASE 2: The information is NOT mathematical concept

Is it true?



John Montagu had been the 4th Earl of Sandwich.
The man received a sandwich with fried egg and one with fried chicken.



Please see the scheme below – two rectangles + two rectangles = five
recognized rectangles!

---------         ---------       |   |   |
|   |   |    +    |   |   |   =   ----+----
---------         ---------       |   |   |

At the end, let me inform you about one our paper published in the
NUMBER 2, 2017; pages 103-114:

Comparison Software Systems Based on Information Quality Measuring

In this paper we outlined how GIT can be used for solving practical problems.
And, maybe, in it, one may find the basis of my words above...

Respectfully yours

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:16 PM
To: Pedro C. Marijuan ;

Dear FISers,
I'm sorry for bothering you,
but I start not to agree from the very first principles.

The only language able to describe and quantify scientific issues is
Without math, you do not have observables, and information is observable.
Therefore, information IS energy or matter, and can be examined through
entropies (such as., e.g., the Bekenstein-Hawking one).

And, please, colleagues, do not start to write that information is
subjective and it depends on the observer's mind. This issue has been
already tackled by the math of physics: science already predicts that
information can be "subjective", in the MATHEMATICAL frameworks of both
relativity and quantum dynamics' Copenhagen interpretation.
Therefore, the subjectivity of information is clearly framed in a TOTALLY
physical context of matter and energy.

Sorry for my polemic ideas, but, if you continue to define information on
the basis of qualitative (and not quantitative) science, information
becomes metaphysics, or sociology, or psychology (i.e., branches with
doubtful possibility of achieving knowledge, due to their current lack of

Arturo Tozzi

AA Professor Physics, University North Texas

Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy

Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba

----Messaggio originale----
Da: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <>
Data: 15/09/2017 14.13
A: "fis"<>

Dear FIS Colleagues,

As promised herewith the "10 principles of information science". A couple
of previous comments may be in order.
First, what is in general the role of principles in science? I was
motivated by the unfinished work of philosopher Ortega y Gasset, "The idea
of principle in Leibniz and the evolution of deductive theory"
(posthumously published in 1958). Our tentative information science seems
to be very different from other sciences, rather multifarious in
appearance and concepts, and cavalierly moving from scale to scale. What
could be the specific role of principles herein? Rather than opening
homogeneous realms for conceptual development, these information
principles would appear as a sort of "portals" that connect with essential
topics of other disciplines in the different organization layers, but at
the same time they should try to be consistent with each other and provide
a coherent vision of the information world.
And second, about organizing the present discussion, I bet I was too
optimistic with the commentators scheme. In any case, for having a first
glance on the whole scheme, the opinions of philosophers would be very
interesting. In order to warm up the discussion, may I ask John Collier,
Joseph Brenner and Rafael Capurro to send some initial comments /
criticisms? Later on, if the commentators idea flies, Koichiro Matsuno and
Wolfgang Hofkirchner would be very valuable voices to put a perspectival
end to this info principles discussion (both attended the Madrid bygone
FIS 1994 conference)...
But this is FIS list, unpredictable in between the frozen states and the
chaotic states! So, everybody is invited to get ahead at his own, with the
only customary limitation of two messages per week.

Best wishes, have a good weekend --Pedro


1. Information is information, neither matter nor energy.

2. Information is comprehended into structures, patterns, messages, or flows.

3. Information can be recognized, can be measured, and can be  processed
(either computationally or non-computationally).

4. Information flows are essential organizers of life's self-production
processes--anticipating, shaping, and mixing up with the accompanying
energy flows.

5. Communication/information exchanges among adaptive life-cycles underlie
the complexity of biological organizations at all scales.

6. It is symbolic language what conveys the essential communication
exchanges of the human species--and constitutes the core of its "social

7. Human information may be systematically converted into efficient
knowledge, by following the "knowledge instinct" and further up by
applying rigorous methodologies.

8. Human cognitive limitations on knowledge accumulation are partially
overcome via the social organization of "knowledge ecologies."

9. Knowledge circulates and recombines socially, in a continuous
actualization that involves "creative destruction" of fields and
disciplines: the intellectual Ars Magna.

10. Information science proposes a new, radical vision on the information
and knowledge flows that support individual lives, with profound
consequences for scientific-philosophical practice and for social

Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta 0
50009 Zaragoza, Spain
Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)

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