Dear Pedro, Arturo, Michel, and FIS Colleagues, First of all, friendly greetings to everybody for the new FIS Season! It is nice to meet all of you again in the FIS List – alive and, I hope, healthy as it is possible!
Energy and the Matter ARE ONE AND THE SAME! Let remember the Great Albert's formula: E=m*C*C which means that the Energy and the Matter are two sides of one coin. What about the information? Why Einstein did not mentioned it in his theories? The answer is simple – the information is a kind of material reflection and could not be separated from the matter. Of course, if one believes in God, it could, but we already have discussed this ... Because of this, the First principle is not good! I do not agree, that: 1. Information is information, neither matter nor energy. Information is a state of matter which may be recognized by the (live) subject. Let see two examples: CASE 1: About the relativity of concepts and importance to have common understanding at least of the main concepts Once upon the time, a man entered in a restaurant and asked the waiter: - Please, give me a portion of fried information, processed following the algorithm of John Montagu. - OK, Sir! What kind of information you prefer – primary or secondary? – answered the waiter. - Secondary, please! - Sir, can you make more clear what you mean when say “secondary”? The problem is that nobody knows what information is primary and what – secondary, and we always have difficulties. - I don’t know! Give me both... What the man received ? CASE 2: The information is NOT mathematical concept 2x+2x=5x Is it true? ANSWERS: CASE 1: John Montagu had been the 4th Earl of Sandwich. The man received a sandwich with fried egg and one with fried chicken. CASE 2: YES! Please see the scheme below – two rectangles + two rectangles = five recognized rectangles! --------- --------- --------- | | | | | | + | | | = ----+---- --------- --------- | | | --------- At the end, let me inform you about one our paper published in the International Journal INFORMATION THEORIES & APPLICATIONS, VOLUME 24, NUMBER 2, 2017; pages 103-114: Comparison Software Systems Based on Information Quality Measuring http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol24/ijita24-02-p01.pdf In this paper we outlined how GIT can be used for solving practical problems. And, maybe, in it, one may find the basis of my words above... Respectfully yours Krassimir From: tozziart...@libero.it Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:16 PM To: Pedro C. Marijuan ; email@example.com Subject: [Fis] INFORMATION: JUST A MATTER OF MATH Dear FISers, I'm sorry for bothering you, but I start not to agree from the very first principles. The only language able to describe and quantify scientific issues is mathematics. Without math, you do not have observables, and information is observable. Therefore, information IS energy or matter, and can be examined through entropies (such as., e.g., the Bekenstein-Hawking one). And, please, colleagues, do not start to write that information is subjective and it depends on the observer's mind. This issue has been already tackled by the math of physics: science already predicts that information can be "subjective", in the MATHEMATICAL frameworks of both relativity and quantum dynamics' Copenhagen interpretation. Therefore, the subjectivity of information is clearly framed in a TOTALLY physical context of matter and energy. Sorry for my polemic ideas, but, if you continue to define information on the basis of qualitative (and not quantitative) science, information becomes metaphysics, or sociology, or psychology (i.e., branches with doubtful possibility of achieving knowledge, due to their current lack of math). Arturo Tozzi AA Professor Physics, University North Texas Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/ ----Messaggio originale---- Da: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> Data: 15/09/2017 14.13 A: "fis"<firstname.lastname@example.org> Ogg: [Fis] PRINCIPLES OF IS Dear FIS Colleagues, As promised herewith the "10 principles of information science". A couple of previous comments may be in order. First, what is in general the role of principles in science? I was motivated by the unfinished work of philosopher Ortega y Gasset, "The idea of principle in Leibniz and the evolution of deductive theory" (posthumously published in 1958). Our tentative information science seems to be very different from other sciences, rather multifarious in appearance and concepts, and cavalierly moving from scale to scale. What could be the specific role of principles herein? Rather than opening homogeneous realms for conceptual development, these information principles would appear as a sort of "portals" that connect with essential topics of other disciplines in the different organization layers, but at the same time they should try to be consistent with each other and provide a coherent vision of the information world. And second, about organizing the present discussion, I bet I was too optimistic with the commentators scheme. In any case, for having a first glance on the whole scheme, the opinions of philosophers would be very interesting. In order to warm up the discussion, may I ask John Collier, Joseph Brenner and Rafael Capurro to send some initial comments / criticisms? Later on, if the commentators idea flies, Koichiro Matsuno and Wolfgang Hofkirchner would be very valuable voices to put a perspectival end to this info principles discussion (both attended the Madrid bygone FIS 1994 conference)... But this is FIS list, unpredictable in between the frozen states and the chaotic states! So, everybody is invited to get ahead at his own, with the only customary limitation of two messages per week. Best wishes, have a good weekend --Pedro 10 PRINCIPLES OF INFORMATION SCIENCE 1. Information is information, neither matter nor energy. 2. Information is comprehended into structures, patterns, messages, or flows. 3. Information can be recognized, can be measured, and can be processed (either computationally or non-computationally). 4. Information flows are essential organizers of life's self-production processes--anticipating, shaping, and mixing up with the accompanying energy flows. 5. Communication/information exchanges among adaptive life-cycles underlie the complexity of biological organizations at all scales. 6. It is symbolic language what conveys the essential communication exchanges of the human species--and constitutes the core of its "social nature." 7. Human information may be systematically converted into efficient knowledge, by following the "knowledge instinct" and further up by applying rigorous methodologies. 8. Human cognitive limitations on knowledge accumulation are partially overcome via the social organization of "knowledge ecologies." 9. Knowledge circulates and recombines socially, in a continuous actualization that involves "creative destruction" of fields and disciplines: the intellectual Ars Magna. 10. Information science proposes a new, radical vision on the information and knowledge flows that support individual lives, with profound consequences for scientific-philosophical practice and for social governance. -- ------------------------------------------------- Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) Avda. 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