Dear Arturo,
On 15 Sep 2017, at 15:16, tozziart...@libero.it wrote:
Dear FISers,
I'm sorry for bothering you,
but I start not to agree from the very first principles.
The only language able to describe and quantify scientific issues is
mathematics.
Without math, you do not have observables, and information is
observable.
That is debatable, but follows usually from my working hypothesis
(brains are Turing emulable), so OK.
Therefore, information IS energy or matter,
But that seems contradict what you just said.
and can be examined through entropies (such as., e.g., the
Bekenstein-Hawking one).
And, please, colleagues, do not start to write that information is
subjective and it depends on the observer's mind. This issue has
been already tackled by the math of physics: science already
predicts that information can be "subjective", in the MATHEMATICAL
frameworks of both relativity and quantum dynamics' Copenhagen
interpretation.
Therefore, the subjectivity of information is clearly framed in a
TOTALLY physical context of matter and energy.
Sorry for my polemic ideas, but, if you continue to define
information on the basis of qualitative (and not quantitative)
science, information becomes metaphysics, or sociology, or
psychology (i.e., branches with doubtful possibility of achieving
knowledge, due to their current lack of math).
I disagree. The work of Gödel and seq. entails that all universal
machine have a very precise mathematical "theology", which includes
the whole of physics (without geography and history of course). That
makes Digital Mechanism, alias computationalism, testable, and indeed,
thanks to Quantum Mechanics without wave collapse, being confirmed up
to now. The price, or the gift, is that physics is no more the
fundamental science, and we get an explanation were the appearance of
the physical reality comes from, and why it is persistent. All this is
made possible and necessary, with mechanism, by the incompleteness
result which makes the machine introducing distinctions where
"God" (truth) can show why they are necessary "illusions".
With mechanism, psychology and theology are branch of mathematics,
even of arithmetic, like computer science. Note that the origin of the
notion of computation is purely mathematical (and indeed a computation
is an arithmetical object, that we can implement in a physical
reality). The physical reality is itself reduced into a statistics of
first person points of view distributed in arithmetic.
Bruno
Arturo Tozzi
AA Professor Physics, University North Texas
Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy
Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba
http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/
----Messaggio originale----
Da: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>
Data: 15/09/2017 14.13
A: "fis"<fis@listas.unizar.es>
Ogg: [Fis] PRINCIPLES OF IS
Dear FIS Colleagues,
As promised herewith the "10 principles of information science". A
couple of previous comments may be in order.
First, what is in general the role of principles in science? I was
motivated by the unfinished work of philosopher Ortega y Gasset,
"The idea of principle in Leibniz and the evolution of deductive
theory" (posthumously published in 1958). Our tentative information
science seems to be very different from other sciences, rather
multifarious in appearance and concepts, and cavalierly moving from
scale to scale. What could be the specific role of principles
herein? Rather than opening homogeneous realms for conceptual
development, these information principles would appear as a sort of
"portals" that connect with essential topics of other disciplines in
the different organization layers, but at the same time they should
try to be consistent with each other and provide a coherent vision
of the information world.
And second, about organizing the present discussion, I bet I was too
optimistic with the commentators scheme. In any case, for having a
first glance on the whole scheme, the opinions of philosophers
would be very interesting. In order to warm up the discussion,
may I ask John Collier, Joseph Brenner and Rafael Capurro to send
some initial comments / criticisms? Later on, if the commentators
idea flies, Koichiro Matsuno and Wolfgang Hofkirchner would be very
valuable voices to put a perspectival end to this info principles
discussion (both attended the Madrid bygone FIS 1994 conference)...
But this is FIS list, unpredictable in between the frozen states and
the chaotic states! So, everybody is invited to get ahead at his
own, with the only customary limitation of two messages per week.
Best wishes, have a good weekend --Pedro
10 PRINCIPLES OF INFORMATION SCIENCE
1. Information is information, neither matter nor energy.
2. Information is comprehended into structures, patterns, messages,
or flows.
3. Information can be recognized, can be measured, and can be
processed (either computationally or non-computationally).
4. Information flows are essential organizers of life's self-
production processes--anticipating, shaping, and mixing up with the
accompanying energy flows.
5. Communication/information exchanges among adaptive life-cycles
underlie the complexity of biological organizations at all scales.
6. It is symbolic language what conveys the essential communication
exchanges of the human species--and constitutes the core of its
"social nature."
7. Human information may be systematically converted into efficient
knowledge, by following the "knowledge instinct" and further up by
applying rigorous methodologies.
8. Human cognitive limitations on knowledge accumulation are
partially overcome via the social organization of "knowledge
ecologies."
9. Knowledge circulates and recombines socially, in a continuous
actualization that involves "creative destruction" of fields and
disciplines: the intellectual Ars Magna.
10. Information science proposes a new, radical vision on the
information and knowledge flows that support individual lives, with
profound consequences for scientific-philosophical practice and for
social governance.
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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta 0
50009 Zaragoza, Spain
Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/
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