Dear Michel,


Thank you for your comment.

In the draft version of my post, mentioning the last Nobel Prize award I
have followed it by a remark: 

“All FISers pretend to be Einstein; no one bothers himself with a (LIGO)
detector building”.

Then I decided that the phrase is unnecessary harsh and replaced it with the
"citations from Aristotle, Plato, and others…” passage.


You are right – the citations could be “a particular type of IF assumption”.
Generally they can, but in this case – they are not!


Loet has presented recently a much more elegant expression:

"Nobody of us provide an operative framework and a single (just one!)
empirical testable prevision able to assess "information".


Thank you for a concerned reading,


Best regards,




From: Fis [] On Behalf Of Michel Godron
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2017 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Fis] Principles of Information


The "citations from Aristotle, Plato, Ortega, Leibnitz," are a particular
type of IF " hypothetic assumptions". They cannot be falsifiable as the
hypothesis of gravitional waves, but they may be discussed rationnally as
starting points for principles and definitions of information.   

Cordialement. M. Godron

Le 06/10/2017 à 18:26, Emanuel Diamant a écrit :

Dear FISers,


I have heartily welcomed Pedro’s initiative to work out some principles of
information definition quest. But the upsetting discussion unrolled around
the issue pushes me to restrain my support for the Pedro’s proposal.  The
problem (in my understanding) is that FIS discussants are violating the
basic rule of any scientific discourse – the IF/THEN principle. 

We usually start our discourse with a hypothetic assumption (the IF part of
an argument) which is affirmed later by a supporting evidence or by a
prediction that holds under the given assumptions (the THEN part of the

The universality of this principle was vividly demonstrated by the recent
Nobel Prize for Physics awarding – 

A hundred years ago, Albert Einstein has predicted the existence of
gravitational waves, but only the construction of the LIGO detector
(implementing the if-then principles) made the observation of gravitational
waves possible. 

Information will become visible and palpable only when an if-then grounded
probe (or an if-then grounded approach) will be devised and put in use.

Until then – long citations from Aristotle, Plato, Ortega, Leibnitz,
alongside with extensive self-citations, will not help us to master the
unavoidable if-then way of thinking.


Sincerely yours,


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