Caro Pedro,
ho inviato un brevissimo messaggio a John Collier, ma non è pervenuto. E'
possibile sapere perché?  Se non è possibile grazie lo stesso.
Francesco

P.s.:grazie.

P.s.Caro John,
hai detto in maniera semplice una grande verità. Tutta la conoscenza è
basata sulla legge dell'informazione,  quindi tutte le scienze non possono
fare a meno della stessa legge con una definizione comune e misurazione
diversa. Altrimenti, come ben dici, si crea solo confusione.
Un abbraccio.
Francesco
P.s. L'ho inviato un paio di ore fa, ma non è arrivato a destinazione:
forse per indirizzo sbagliato.

2017-11-06 15:40 GMT+01:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>:

> His server rejects quite many messages (from me too). Send to the list...
> Best --Pedro
>
>
> El 06/11/2017 a las 14:36, Francesco Rizzo escribió:
>
> Caro Pedro,
> ho inviato un brevissimo messaggio a John Collier, ma non è pervenuto. E'
> possibile sapere perché?  Se non è possibile grazie lo stesso.
> Francesco
>
> P.s.Caro John,
> hai detto in maniera semplice una grande verità. Tutta la conoscenza è
> basata sulla legge dell'informazione,  quindi tutte le scienze non possono
> fare a meno della stessa legge con una definizione comune e misurazione
> diversa. Altrimenti, come ben dici, si crea solo confusione.
> Un abbraccio.
> Francesco
> P.s. L'ho inviato un paio di ore fa, ma non è arrivato a destinazione:
> forse per indirizzo sbagliato.
>
>
> 2017-10-06 14:36 GMT+02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>:
>
>> Dear Terry and FIS colleagues,
>> I think you make a good point. I was reminded on the problems my research
>> group has found in the development of our "Sociotype project",  cooperating
>> with social science groups and psychologists. The lack of communication  in
>> between those closer to formal fields or just within natural sciences (our
>> case) and the humanities and social science fields is amazing. From my
>> point of view they strongly defend some form of "obscurity", in the sense
>> that they do not accept but a total disciplinary autonomy often
>> ideologically rooted. Perhaps I am exaggerating, as the intrinsic
>> complexity of those matters is only amenable to "foundations" from
>> discoursive approaches... Well, in any case a metaphorical idea about those
>> principles of Information Science is that they can work as "posts" where
>> new electric lines may be tended, so that they can bring new light to new
>> pockets within those ultracomplex realms. The gap between
>> sceince-humanities might be well crossed by info science.
>> (Finally let me apologize for not having processed yet all the late
>> messages, I have a slow digestion)
>> Best--Pedro
>>
>>
>> El 05/10/2017 a las 19:21, Terrence W. DEACON escribió:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I am in agreement with Joseph's suggestion that our discussions of the
>> foundations of information could be understood as pre-science. Efforts such
>> as the list of principles proposed by Pedro offer a useful focus of
>> discussion for working toward a more solid "foundation" precisely because
>> it helps elicits responses that exemplify the fault lines in our community.
>> These are not merely points of disagreement but also theoretical boundaries
>> that need to be clearly identified if we want to seriously map this still
>> ambiguous conceptual territory. Claims that this issue has been settled or
>> that there are irresolvable issues involved or that the whole conceptual
>> territory is useless are unhelpful. We just need to get explicit about our
>> differences and what motivates them.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 1:45 AM, Joseph Brenner <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Pedro, Dear FISers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the 2 weeks I have been away, an excellent discussion has
>>> self-organized as Pedro noted. Any preliminary comments and criticisms of
>>> Pedro’s 10 Principles I could make now can refer to this. I would have said
>>> first that Pedro is to be thanked for this construction. Preparing a list
>>> of principles involves defining not only the content but also the number,
>>> order and relation between the entries. Zou, Stan and Ted in particular
>>> have recognized the existence of the list as such and the work involved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My own view is that we are all currently involved in reworking the
>>> Foundations of Information Science. These Foundations are not themselves
>>> science, but they look forward to the increased understanding of
>>> Information Science as Terry suggests. I propose the term “Pre-Science” for
>>> this process activity, a pun on the word ‘prescience’ whose normal
>>> definition is foreknowledge or foresight. The people who tend to make
>>> mistakes in this effort will be those who claim that any simple concept or
>>> set of concepts can do the job itself, supported by claims to authorities
>>> such as Peirce. Sets of *principles*, on the other hand, are tools more
>>> difficult to use but they permit directed consideration of several
>>> perspectives at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Principles are the basis for an interpretation of what is in the
>>> physical and biological processes that are the proper subjects for
>>> non-computational Information Science, without – yet – providing any
>>> explanations. Now this is a lot more philosophical that may have been
>>> expected when the discussion started. However, today, unlike when Pedro and
>>> his colleagues started out, we have the Philosophy of Information of
>>> Luciano Floridi and Wu Kun to work with, as well as my logic. I am
>>> surprised that no-one has yet referred to Floridi or Wu.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Going back over the postings to-date, I have noted a few which seem
>>> constitutive of a ‘Pre-Science’ of Information: Emmanuel’s ‘duality’,
>>> Stan’s hierarchies; Michel Godron’s and John Torday’s bridges to biology,
>>> Pedro’s reworking of communication, *etc*. I will resist comments that
>>> the concepts of Pre-Science are to be thrown out as part of non-science or
>>> ‘just’ philosophy. As Koichiro clearly said on 20.09, information can, and
>>> in my view is already, bringing in something new empirically to questions
>>> of space and time.  In the Pre-Science of Information, ideally, it
>>> should be possible to retain mechanism *and* materialism or realism;
>>> computationalism *and *non- or natural computationalism; information as
>>> a physical *reality* and a non-physical *appearance*.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I look forward with great interest to the lines of development of this
>>> thread.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>
>>> *To:* 'fis' <fis@listas.unizar.es>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 2:13 PM
>>> *Subject:* [Fis] PRINCIPLES OF IS
>>>
>>> Dear FIS Colleagues,
>>>
>>> As promised herewith the "10 principles of information science". A
>>> couple of previous comments may be in order.
>>> First, what is in general the role of principles in science? I was
>>> motivated by the unfinished work of philosopher Ortega y Gasset, "The idea
>>> of principle in Leibniz and the evolution of deductive theory"
>>> (posthumously published in 1958). Our tentative information science seems
>>> to be very different from other sciences, rather multifarious in appearance
>>> and concepts, and cavalierly moving from scale to scale. What could be the
>>> specific role of principles herein? Rather than opening homogeneous realms
>>> for conceptual development, these information principles would appear as a
>>> sort of "portals" that connect with essential topics of other disciplines
>>> in the different organization layers, but at the same time they should try
>>> to be consistent with each other and provide a coherent vision of the
>>> information world.
>>> And second, about organizing the present discussion, I bet I was too
>>> optimistic with the commentators scheme. In any case, for having a first
>>> glance on the whole scheme, the opinions of philosophers would be very
>>> interesting. In order to warm up the discussion, may I ask John Collier,
>>> Joseph Brenner and Rafael Capurro to send some initial comments /
>>> criticisms? Later on, if the commentators idea flies, Koichiro Matsuno and
>>> Wolfgang Hofkirchner would be very valuable voices to put a perspectival
>>> end to this info principles discussion (both attended the Madrid bygone FIS
>>> 1994 conference)...
>>> But this is FIS list, unpredictable in between the frozen states and the
>>> chaotic states! So, everybody is invited to get ahead at his own, with the
>>> only customary limitation of two messages per week.
>>>
>>> Best wishes, have a good weekend --Pedro
>>>
>>> *10 **PRINCIPLES OF INFORMATION SCIENCE*
>>>
>>> 1. Information is information, neither matter nor energy.
>>>
>>> 2. Information is comprehended into structures, patterns, messages, or
>>> flows.
>>>
>>> 3. Information can be recognized, can be measured, and can be  processed
>>> (either computationally or non-computationally).
>>>
>>> 4. Information flows are essential organizers of life's self-production
>>> processes--anticipating, shaping, and mixing up with the accompanying
>>> energy flows.
>>>
>>> 5. Communication/information exchanges among adaptive life-cycles
>>> underlie the complexity of biological organizations at all scales.
>>>
>>> 6. It is symbolic language what conveys the essential communication
>>> exchanges of the human species--and constitutes the core of its "social
>>> nature."
>>>
>>> 7. Human information may be systematically converted into efficient
>>> knowledge, by following the "knowledge instinct" and further up by applying
>>> rigorous methodologies.
>>>
>>> 8. Human cognitive limitations on knowledge accumulation are partially
>>> overcome via the social organization of "knowledge ecologies."
>>>
>>> 9. Knowledge circulates and recombines socially, in a continuous
>>> actualization that involves "creative destruction" of fields and
>>> disciplines: the intellectual *Ars Magna.*
>>>
>>> 10. Information science proposes a new, radical vision on the
>>> information and knowledge flows that support individual lives, with
>>> profound consequences for scientific-philosophical practice and for social
>>> governance.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Pedro C. Marijuán
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