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Ok, 

Thank you.

> The short answer is "yes". The term "unique" does not mean "identical",
> i.e. you can have a single OrderID or multiple OrderIDs within a single
> chain. As soon as you have a second chain, i.e. a different order, you
> cannot re-use the OrderIDs(s) used for the first chain. If you will, the
> rules are somewhat relaxed for OrderID compared to ClOrdID.
> 
> Some legacy systems still link order identification and order
> prioritization together, i.e. OrderID must change due to a
> cancel/replace if the order is to fall back in priority (higher order
> number = worse priority). A change in a text field would keep OrderID
> stable (no affect on priority) whereas a change in price would create a
> new OrderID. Newer systems decouple the two elements, enabling OrderID
> to become a true entity identifier that does not change during the
> lifetime of the order.
> 
> FIX already requires ClOrdID to change for every cancel/replace, making
> it serve as message and entity identifier at the same time. I would not
> recommend to have OrderID do the same.
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > Is it allowed in FIX to change the OrderID on an OrderCacel/Repalce
> > Request?
> >
> > In the documentation is says.
> >
> > The OrderID field is populated with the sell-side brokergenerated
> > order number (or fund manager-generated order number for CIVs). Unlike
> > ClOrdID/OrigClOrdID which requires a chaining through Cancel/Replaces
> > and Cancels, OrderID and SecondaryOrderID are not required to change
> > through changes to an order.
> >
> > But on the Execution Report where fields are described. 37 OrderID Y
> > OrderID is required to be unique for each chain of orders.
> > ---
> > Then again on the Order Cancel Request/replace Request text: Note that
> > while it is necessary for the ClOrdID to change and be unique, the
> > broker’s OrderID field does not necessarily have to change as a result
> > of the Cancel/Replace request.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> > So what dose "OrderId Field does not necessairly have to change"
> > actully mean when the Execution Report must have an unique OrderID in
> > the Chain of orders.
> >
> > Since most exchanges uses the same OrderId during a day. While I have
> > seen examples where each Execution report has an Unique OrderId. Aka
> > both fill, Modifies cancels has new Orderids.


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