I may add to Brian's well-thought reply, that email lists allow to save
locally all messages for future reference using any email client. I
haven't found yet a similar resource to handle forum messages .
Regards,
Federico Miyara
On 15/6/2025 19:14, brianw wrote:
Hello,
I am another long-timer, being one of the earlier contributors to the open
source command-line tool, and I would also prefer that the mailing list be kept.
There are advantages and disadvantages to each online communication option.
Over the decades, I have noticed that email lists are far more reliable, not to
mention easier to deal with. Web-based discussions hosted on particular sites
tend to disappear after a while, they have much more intrusive requirements for
participation, and are more difficult to passively follow. Effectively, the
only way to passively follow GitHub discussions would be to provide an email
for notifications, and then it would be a two-step process to see the
discussion content. I would much prefer receiving the direct communications via
email.
I understand the issue with spam on the email list, however I also receive spam
from web site based communications. Although LLMs pose a new challenge, it
seems that they would be aimed at site-based communications as much as
email-based communications. Perhaps I underestimate the challenge because I
don't know how much spam is being filtered by my email server that still
consumes resources of the list server.
Thank you for opening this topic on the mailing list,
Brian Willoughby
p.s. I have never had an account on Facebook or Google because they require
personal information to be stored in their server's account database, where it
can be sold or hacked. I realize that the FLAC Developer mailing list also
stores some account information in a central place, but the vulnerability is
much, much less.
On Jun 15, 2025, at 1:36 PM, Federico Miyara wrote:
Dear Martijn,
I'm one of those longtimers (at least 12 years) and in that period I've read
nearly 2500 messages. If asked I would prefer that the list were kept. I
probably wouldn't subscribe (or, rather, register) to GitHub since I don't
fully agree with the terms and conditions and I haven't a specific need (such
as if I were really involved in a development project). But I understand that
the spam issue may be quite bothersome.
Best regards,
Federico Miyara
On 15/6/2025 16:15, Martijn van Beurden wrote:
Hi all,
Until a few years ago, mailing lists were the primary tool for
communicating on the development FLAC and other Xiph projects.
However, for FLAC, discussions have moved mostly to GitHub. Other Xiph
project mailing lists have also mostly fallen silent. Spam is however
still as much an issue as ever. if not worse with the advent of LLMs.
Maintenance of those lists is therefore a burden that is increasingly
disproportional to their use.
So, there is a proposal to close the flac and flac-dev mailing lists.
For the flac mailing list (for user questions) I'd say that is a done
deal: nothing of much value happens there anymore. The flac-dev
mailing list however has quite a few longtimers listening in and
occasionally replying. This is especially valuable to have different
perspectives when a new feature or functional changes get proposed.
I'd like to know whether you would be willing to move over to GitHub
discussions. GitHub would be the first choice because most discussions
already happen there anyway.
I'd like to hear some opinions on this matter.
Kind regards, Martijn van Beurden
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