You can throw all the theortical, non-corraborated numbers around you want, but you're still using Flash banners. Email spammers who defend themselves as targeted email marketers are still spammers.
Your industry sucks. Deal with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Expandable banners Exactly whos business is it bad for ? not mine - I do very well thankyou out of it. My clients - no - they get a measureable effective platform to promote their products. Their sales increase (we know this precisely - and from exactly what campaings and what demographic) The website owners - no - it's a key part of the revenue models. That leaves only you - the customer. So fine we'll all stop - and while were at it all ATL, BTL media will stop also. But when the quality of programming on TVnose dives, it costs you $60 to go to the movies, a daily news papaer is $10 a day, and finaly you have to pay $99 per month just to use your favour websites (that used to be free)dont come crying to me. on 9/11/05 10:55 PM, Flashcoders mailing list <[email protected]> wrote: > Maybe you do responsible advertising, but the majority of your colleagues > don't. Therefore, you are associated with those negative connotations > whether you like it or not. If you don't like it, then stop doing that > type > work. > > Otherwise, deal with people like David and I calling you out for being in > an > annoying, bad for business, and unethical industry. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Expandable banners > > Dave, > > it's naive comments like this that gives flash a bad name. WIthout wanting > to > start a flame war your comment demonstates a significant missunderstanding > on > the internet market place and how we've got to where we are today. > > Online advertising weather you like it or not has been a corner stone of > making > the internet a commercialy viable platform. Online media spend has risen > year on > year, where we are now in a position that approaching 5% ot total > marketing > spend is online. Compare this to five years ago when it was less than > 0.5%. > > It offers significant benifits over traditional media (ATL and BTL) such > as > acurate measureability and behavioural modeling. A significant part of the > flash > userbase (designer/developers) make a living from creating these onlien > media. > The revenue that MM generate from sales of Flash to these people have > helped > to > create the great product we have today. > > Now I suspect that you come from the RIA corner of the Flash userbase. > Cant > you > see the beauty in the Flash platform is the flexabilty it offers. The same > tool > can be used to create complex applications as roll out games/websites/ > advertising etc. It's strength lies from the fact the theplayer is so > ubequtious. > > BAD flash advertising gives flash a bad name, but NO MORE SO than bad > Flash > applications and websites. The reality is if we all did as I supect you'd > like > and stop making flash ad's other technologies would appear in it's place. > Advertsing is not going to go away. If it disapeared tomorrow, many of > your > favourites sites would have to close, and the Internet would be a very > different > place. > > ... then you'd come runing crying about the good'ld days. > > Sorry to jump down your throat on this but I get fed up of ignorant > people, > making comments like this. Take some time to look around and you'll see > some > pretty creative work out there. > > on 9/11/05 10:09 PM, Flashcoders mailing list > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 11/9/05, Mick Gow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> ps. They're a pain in the ass :) >>> >>> >> If you mean animated banners, then yes, I agree. It's the flash banner >> creators that give flash a bad name. >> >> -David R >> _______________________________________________ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Flashcoders mailing list > [email protected] > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > _______________________________________________ > Flashcoders mailing list > [email protected] > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list [email protected] http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list [email protected] http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
