Please move this thread somewhere else. If 'OT' appears in the subject line, that ought to be a clue to everyone that the thread no longer belongs on Flashcoders. Intellectual property and business practice discussions don't really belong here.
> > From: "Mark Lapasa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/06/20 Tue PM 04:27:50 CDT > To: "Flashcoders mailing list" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Junior Developer Flash/Flex Salary? > > These are most interesting points Radley. > > However on the topic of 'pre-made code', I am now wondering what is the > practices of some the freelancer/consultants/etc. on the list. If people pay > you money for code, be it 30k or 100k, is it right to use your past > developed code on future code? > > I think when taking on gig's, it's meant that you are generating code they > don't would not initially have. Once the gig is done, I think the business > has an understanding that they paid you for the code and they own the code? > > If they don't own the code, then does it becomes a matter of licensing? > > I guess what I am asking is if you have previously developed code and use it > on other clients, is it ok? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Radley > Marx > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:12 PM > To: Flashcoders mailing list > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Junior Developer Flash/Flex Salary? > > > > > apologies for keeping this thread open... > > From what I've gleaned, while the rate quoted to you may be low, it > does sound like a transitionary rate and appropriate. Not that you're > only worth it but because you sound very inexperienced in the market. > > What I mean by "inexperienced" is you have to ask if 30k is too low, > and you also have another day job which sounds unrelated to your > Flash/Flex work. So at this point, you may have to grab at what's > offered. > > I'd recommend caution with this gig and make sure you're not tied to > it too long. I'd look at it as a "paid internship" where you're > basically getting your first "notch in your belt" as you change careers. > > If you haven't considered creating a portfolio for yourself, now is > the time to build it. Don't put too much time into it and especially > don't let it hold you in "almost done" limbo. A list of skills, a > gallery of projects completed (even student and/or "lame" ones), and > contact info are all you need at this stage. > > In the meantime, begin to look around your area and find out where > the "real" Flash/Flex work is (studios, ad agencies, internet > companies). Begin to make contacts. Let them know who you are and > you're availability. > > Part of making $50/hr (& much more) isn't always about making a > decent rate like everyone else does. It's often about having multiple > potential clients needing your help and willing to pay for it. And > each project you build adds more and more "pre-made" pieces you have > for the next gig. Those "pre-built" pieces are there to save your > client time, but still make you $$ - another foundation for why we > can make much more $$ per hour. > > It'll take time to build up your rate, so focus on the first steps: > do a good job with your first gig, get your portfolio up, and get in > touch with the proper market. > > good luck =) > > -radley > > > On Jun 20, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Tristan wrote: > > > Well said. I agree. I'll test the waters and jump out if it's not > > working. > > I'm still keeping my day job until I'm satisfied with coming on > > full time. > > Although, now that missiles are being tossed our way, maybe I > > should just be > > happy to be alive! Geez, I hope someday we all get along. Life's > > too short > > as it is. > > > > Sorry, off topic comment but, I just heard about it and it's scary > > not for > > just usa but, for the whole world. > > > > Love, > > T > > > > On 6/20/06, Kevin Mulvihill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > $11/ hr accepting that is part of the reason why people think > >> > they can pay developers peanuts > >> > >> Here, here. > >> > >> Denver is a big city comparable to L.A., where I am. And in this > >> city, bag > >> boys at grocery stores are making $11/hr. Even way back in '97 > >> when I was > >> in > >> my last corporate job, it was costing us $15/hr. just to have a > >> temp come > >> in > >> and put papers in a filing cabinet. Is that how you see yourself? As > >> unskilled labor??? > >> > >> Now if the idea is just that the guy wants to check you out and > >> make sure > >> you can do the work, then I might give him a few DAYS at $11/hr. > >> and then > >> revert to an honest pay scale if he wants to keep you... And this > >> assumes > >> that you don't have any references or much in the way of code > >> samples to > >> share. > >> > >> The real question then becomes 'how long is it going to take to > >> get you up > >> to speed?' If the guy is thinking several months, then you would > >> clearly > >> be > >> foolish to accept that offer. If you don't respect yourself, no > >> one else > >> will either... And your getting 'up to speed' could take a very > >> long time > >> indeed. > >> > >> Kevin > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> [email protected] > >> To change your subscription options or search the archive: > >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > >> > >> Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > >> Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > >> http://www.figleaf.com > >> http://training.figleaf.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > [email protected] > > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > > http://www.figleaf.com > > http://training.figleaf.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > Radley Marx > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 310.220.4088 > http://www.radleymarx.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > -- John Mark Hawley The Nilbog Group 773.968.4980 (cell) _______________________________________________ [email protected] To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
