"I'll try to find out more, particularly from the Player team's contacts with Microsoft, Mozilla, Apple and Opera."
THANK YOU "their complexity and inconsistency has caused real hurt to people too." THANK YOU "I'd lean towards better guidance in documentation about the true potential costs of relying on the differing browsers, rather than remove the option together. How do you feel about this way of addressing this issue...?" It sounds better than the current situation. I think at least will warn developers about the real issues of using it, THANK YOU. "Oh my gosh, do people still talk like that these days...!? ;-)" Yes they do :) "I empathize with this situation too." THANK YOU "If we could make sure that accurate info on costs was included in all documentation which mentioned WMODE, then do you think this would reduce the problem you're seeing...?" Yes I do. As I've said before, I think is the first step. THANK YOU. But I want to specially thank you for not blaming *me* for (hopefully kindly) pointing out a problem I have to endure, as many other people. Thanks again, you really made my day. Cheers, Juan ps: I run out of thank yous today :D On 10/11/06, John Dowdell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Zárate wrote, of inconsistent WMODE side-effects among browsers: > If it's not up to Adobe fixing this, then I change my question to: Is > Adobe NOW actively talking with browser manufacturers to solve this? I don't know for sure either way... I know that there are lots of discussions among different Adobe workgroups to various teams for the different browser manufacturers, but I don't know the content of each set of conversations. I'll try to find out more, particularly from the Player team's contacts with Microsoft, Mozilla, Apple and Opera. > If not (so for Adobe the behaviour of wmode is fine or not so > important), please remove it from the player. IT JUST DOES NOT WORK, > not even on Win/IE. It's _still_ causing a huge amount of problems to > a huge amount of people*. I share your ambivalence about such browser-dependent features. Plugin detection, content replacement, the whole FSCommand/externalInterface scene... all of these are worthy goals, but their complexity and inconsistency has caused real hurt to people too. I'd lean towards better guidance in documentation about the true potential costs of relying on the differing browsers, rather than remove the option together. How do you feel about this way of addressing this issue...? > ps: please don't tell me things like "if you don't like Flash go and > do php" or "go to Slashdot to meet your geek friends". Oh my gosh, do people still talk like that these days...!? ;-) > * The other day in my office wmode was the answer to a design problem. > So when they came to me and say: > "Hey! I've fixed it, we're going to use wmode, look at Adobe's > website, we can do it, I thought you were the Flash guy, you should > know those things!" > I had to waste 1 hour telling them that using it will cause "problems". I empathize with this situation too... it's similar to how people say "firefox supports svg, and my mobile phone does too", without ever looking at what specific functionality you can actually and reliably achieve... they get trapped by the label "svg" or "use wmode" and their minds go out to lunch. If we could make sure that accurate info on costs was included in all documentation which mentioned WMODE, then do you think this would reduce the problem you're seeing...? http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aadobe.com+wmode tx, jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. _______________________________________________ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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