>>Well, I guess it depends on what you call a large project ;-) 
>>I do know that without a proper framework (MVC at a mimimum, 
>>doesn't have to be ARP etc..) things get messy, fast..
>>And I disagree that you have to be an advanced coder to learn 
>>and understand them and afterall, this is FlashCoders, not 
>>FlashNewbies.

Really.  Glad you pointed that out.  Well then who?  An "intermediate"?
Explain to an "intermediate" how to implement Caringorn, I read a lot on
the site and couldn't for the life of me figure it out, though I don't
consider myself just an intermediate, though maybe you do.  :)  I guess
it depends on what you consider an "advanced" coder, that's a subjective
definition.  I also think MVC is a design pattern, not a framework.  In
my vantage point, I don't see those as the same thing.  We use design
patterns like MVC, but not formal frameworks like Cairngorn on our RIAs.
I don't think frameworks like you mentioned HAVE to be used to do large
projects and keep it clean.   But just to do a Webservice call on a
large project you "probably should use a framework"?  I still would
disagree with you there.  Design patterns, yes.  Frameworks, maybe, if
it makes sense and works for you, and doesn't take too much time to
figure out an implement.

>>    var myData_pc:PendingCall = myWS.getMyData();

You re-wrote my example, but it does same thing I wrote, you just
changed the names or the variables.  I'm confused as to why.

>>That aside, I didn't say that if you want to use WebServices 
>>through ActionScript that you need some kind of framework.

Well, OK, I guess if you're getting that technical, you actually instead
said, "for large projects you probably should":  

>>For 
>>larger projects you probably should be using a framework
>>(ARP/Cairngorn) in which case everything is written in code.

Very slight semantic difference - "need" vs. "probably should".

Jason Merrill
Bank of America  
GT&O Learning & Leadership Development
eTools & Multimedia Team

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