Yeah, I think you just have to go point by point and politely and diplomatically explain why the project is being delayed, and give lots of specific examples. When you are done, ask HIM, how we (meaning you and him) can work towards the best solution. Always be respectful and polite - if you explain your situation well, they should try and work with you to a compromise solution. He should respect you even more if you do it right.
Jason Merrill Bank of America GCIB & Staff Support L&LD Instructional Technology & Media Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Developer Community Are you a Bank of America associate interested in innovative learning ideas and technologies? Check out our internal Innovative Learning Blog & subscribe. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Pace Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:21 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] job hell Hello All, The messed up thing is the guy I work for is a nice guy; yet, the guy he works for, is putting a great deal of pressure on him to deliver, and it is being passed on to me. I am a little behind schedule, several days, because of a few factors that I couldn't control, my hosting company/testing server not allowing certain types of DB calls at first because they thought I was some kind of hacker messing with a space that hadn't been touched in a year(school), requests not being sent back properly, my condo organization telling me to move in ASAP or be fined(shouldn't be his concern; I know), and something I did (rely on spry to work in IE7... yeah... right.. dumb move); yet, I believe that considering I am taking a hit on this project and they know it, maybe they might be willing to give me some leeway. I have also been apologetic for issues that weren't my fault, so maybe he is starting to believe that I am at fault for everything? It is not my fault that my client didn't get the okay from is client to develop until the end of last month, when that was supposed to be the date it was done; yet, at the same time, I do understand the urgency on both their ends, and I don't want to come off as an disinterested in their plight. How do I tell this guy and his client to appreciate my work and effort, without pissing him off? I want to retain this guy as sales asset in an SOA application strategy of mine, not to mention I think he is a cool guy, but he really is pressuring me, and now he is not answering my calls. What if I need him to test something remotely? A bit unprofessional; yet, I understand it may be due to frustration. He has also changed the language he uses when e-mailing me; such as, instead of wrap this "one" up, he has started to correct himself and state wrap this "on" up. If you have any suggestions on how I may retain this client please help. This project has made me realize that, although I have had clients before, I really am newbie when it comes to working on my own outside of teams, and I am not quite sure how to handle situations like this. Thanks, Anthony Anthony Pace wrote: > Hello to the people that responded, especially Glen Pike, > > Thanks for the responses; yet, this project is actually ajax (or AJAJ, > a redundancy I know, considering I am really using Script source > renewal) not flash, and I know how, actually I am very well versed, in > loading data from external sources of any protocol with flash if in > the same domain and sandbox; yet, I am kind of trying to make xss my > friend here; as well, I am also pretty well versed in using XSS > exploits on pages too, in case anyone needs a quick pen test of their > forums and user submission forms for $80.00 to $100.00 bucks, and for > an additional $100.00 I will help you fix it. (sorry for the plug) > > I know, I know, evil ajax taking over the flashcoders list; yet, I > figured you guys would know of ways to bypass the CDP (cross domain > policy) nonsense, and thus help me with my concern as well. I just > wanted to know if there were better ways to do this, and if it had > been done better a thousand times before I attempted it using my xss > hackish way. > > Regarding the JOB... I totally took a hit in my opinion, and I am glad > to have it confirmed. I am the eternal student trying to save dollars > to go back to school, and that is why I offered my services at a lower > rate. > > Actually right now, I am okay with the system I have, as it returns > data very well, and below I have outlined how it works with flash too, > and has, after about 15 min of testing, allowed me to bypass the whole > CDP nonsense. Feelings on CDP... if I am a hacker and I want your > data, then I am not going to use the browser or flash to get it, I am > going to use all kinds of leach programs available; therefore, I ask > why make it difficult for honest developers? > > 1. *flash* > > calls js function reloadScript(id,srcURL) > > 2. *js* > > reloads script id="toBeReloaded" innerHTML content > > 3. *script id="toBeReloaded"* > > after innerHTML is updated, (php loops to create a JS > array)unlimited amount of call back functions occur; one of > which being loaded(option); yet, if you listen to the DOM, > callback is not required and the content returned can be > anything... annnnnnneeeeeeeethaaaaaaaannng flushed binary > MP3,IMG,SOUND,VIDEO, STREAMING data... wink wink ;o) > > 4. *loaded(option)* > > if(option==1){call flash function to update data table with a > new array being passed} > > > I also figured out how to make this load sound and video data from any > source, bypassing CDP BS, and have as3 import that data as it flushes > in, and use it as display content; after this project is over, I am > going to have fun hacking with this. > > For now back to this god awful project; which, wouldn't be so god > awful if the client of my client wasn't being so up tight about the > time frame. > > Anthony Pace > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I was the lucky joe that got to go: > http://www.actionscript.org/resources/articles/761/1/Day-1-at-FITC-Toronto-2008/Page1.html > > > > > > Glen Pike wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Loading data remotely, there are lots of options, but if you >> already have a working system, I would stick to it for this project. >> >> From the sound of things, you are loading HTML into Flash. If you >> are cunning, you may be able to ensure that the HTML is XHTML and >> then it may be possible to change the back end of the system a bit >> later on. The other thing is that the "data not being returned" >> thing sounds like a server side problem - with your back end, if your >> Flash calls a url, e.g. "getdata.php". Make sure that getdata.php >> outputs nicely to your browser first, then you can be sure the script >> is not broken and check your Flash & fix any problems there. If your >> hosting is rubbish and you get 404 or other errors sometimes, then I >> would change hosting. >> >> For future reference on Flash-server side comm's - look at: >> >> XML, which means you can load stuff from anywhere, cross platform, >> etc. The downside is that XML code is usually "bloated" and for >> mobile devices, possibly too memory heavy. The upside is that with >> AS3 it is really easy to parse and manipulate. XML can work from >> files, webservices, etc... so is a good choice if you are not sure >> what system your code is going to be deployed on and the back end >> people are somewhere else... >> AMF Remoting - AMF is a binary format and you need server side >> code to handle the calls. The good news is that there are loads of >> projects which implement this in various languages - PHP, .NET, Java, >> CF, etc. - google AMF remoting and look on the Adobe Devnet site for >> info... The advantage is that the data is binary so uses less >> bandwidth than XML, but the learning curve is a bit steeper and it is >> sometimes fiddly to set up an AMF "connection", because something >> does not work and it takes a while to figure out the first time until >> you learn the tricks. >> >> Aral Balkan was doing a really nice system called SWX which used a >> combination of AMF remoting and some code on top which made it lots >> easier to load date. This was working for AS2, but still undeveloped >> for AS3, so you are possibly a bit stuck if you need the latter - >> swxformat.org >> >> As for hating the project - yeah, I know that feeling. You may >> have to take a hit on this one. Personally, I would be charging more >> than $1000 for 50 hours work, but then your rate may also depend on >> your experience - for projects that entail some learning, I may >> discount it quite a bit, so $1000 may be reasonable. At the end of >> the day, if the job pays your bills, then you are doing okay, if you >> get more, then lovely, but remember, you said you loved coding, which >> is sometimes frustrating when clients get involved. >> >> My suggestion here would be to invoke the "iron triangle" rule - >> this article leads into it nicely: >> http://www.codeodor.com/index.cfm/2008/3/31/Top-6-Non-monetary-Features-I-Want-In-An-Employer/2091 >> >> >> >> Basically you need to be firm with your "employer", your project >> has "features", "deadline" and "cost" - the employer does not get to >> control all three, you may need to politely remind them about this. >> Having worked with them, you may need to tread carefully doing this, >> but in the long run, if you can do this, your relationship with >> clients will be better. Sometimes, you get crap clients though, so >> bear this in mind - it's not always your fault :) >> >> Here is a useful article about how to work out your hourly rate: >> http://www.blueflavor.com/blog/2006/apr/25/pricing-project/ >> >> Sorry, this turned into a bit of an essay, but keep your chin up >> and put the crap bits down to experience after you finish the project :) >> >> Glen >> > > _______________________________________________ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
