I never spoke about 'cool' sites ;)
I agree we cannot compare applications and event/marketing sites, or
even experimental sites.
As a precision, I view EcoDaZoo as the best flash site ever made
(MHO). First, because of the way it communicates, and then because of
its technicity (inhouse 3D engine, inhouse Tweening engine) AND
simplicity. I saw some slick Flex Apps like Picnik and thought that's
very slick and 'to the point'.
What I love here ? It is all based on the foundations of what we used
to call 'Flash'.
Of course, for applications, Flex is better. But yet, I must say my
team did develop a digital signage application completely built from
scratch (no code reuse, whatever part) in Flash. There is a 'Player'
and an 'Editor'. Both are very tough and let the users have freedom.
So, all in all, I know I had to build up my own components, framework
and UI zings. No doubt I could do it with Flex. I know I reinvented
the wheel here, but I know all in all, with my specific needs, I
don't have lost much time in the process of programming. The thing is
I did all the flash part (design + code)...
As a side and 'funny' note, I was contacted by a photographers team 3
months ago for building a Flash Gallery (quite advanced I must
admit). I was in 'competition' with a Flex Agency. Funnily enough,
they were 5 people working on the Flex side, I was 1 for the Flash part.
Their budget was 6 times higher than mine, and their proposal was
very 'conventional' (ie: using Flex components, some custom made, but
overall UI would stick to what we know of Flex).
I got the job, built some slick application, and thought, in the end,
I had some 'chance' :)
True conclusion: there is no way comparing Flash and Flex :P
People working in teams and wanting to live honestly and that are not
ready to imply their *lives* in the process should opt for FLEX. end
point :)
Cedric
Sure - I mean again, it just comes down to what KIND of sites you
are comparing - a cool site RIA could be equally cool as a cool 3D
Flash site like EcoDaZoo (which was done with Papervision3d by the
way, and could have been done in Flex - if there was a need for the
Flex framework) - but comparing one site with another for
"coolness" is really subjective, it's like comparing apples and
oranges. If a site dynamically allows product selection
interactions with effects was seen as "cool" - and a site like
EcoDaZoo was done with Flash + Papervision and is thought of as
"cool", well, which one is "cooler"? You can't do the comparision
because they are completely different types of sites.
Yes, for sites that have a lot of UI "zing" - animations and
effects, and really wild transitions and layouts, well, Flex would
not be the best choice. That's why you have to decide which tool
is best for what kind of project you have.
Jason Merrill
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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:07 AM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flex vs. Flash
You are right. I may have been mislead here, but I still think that
a site like EcoDaZoo or sites done by agencies like Gringo, or
Firstborn are Flash, not Flex. I am getting specific here, which
is irrelevant regarding this thread.
Cedric
With both you can be efficient. As a proof, all the best Flash
sites
are Flash, not Flex.
How do you know? I have seen some amazing Flash sites I thought
were build in the Flash IDE, and I found out later they were Flex
apps, with some really great skinning going on. I have also seen
some flex-like sites that were cool that I discovered were Flash
IDE made sites. But in a lot of cases, there is no real way to
tell what the development environment was - maybe if you pulled
apart the .swf you could tell, but other than that, it's difficult.
Jason Merrill
Bank of America Instructional Technology & Media · GCIB &
Staff Support L&LD
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