On 1/10/2012 6:58 PM, Rick Winscot wrote:
As an example, what will happen if Adobe keeps cranking out Flash Builder 
versions? Do committers get a free copy - or will they be expected to pay for 
it themselves?
Why would committers get a free copy? It would certainly be a nice gesture from Adobe; but I wouldn't expect it.

At the summit, there was no question that Adobe was going to keep releasing the 
IDE (at least that's what they said). If the expectation is that we keep step 
with advancements / fixes... who _should_ pay for that connective tissue?

I'm unclear what advances in Flex/Flash Builder would require us to change the Flex SDK. Perhaps my mind is not being creative enough.

If Adobe isn't going to help out with licenses... and committers can't keep 
up-to-date - what of their status? Will they be dropped from the list?
There are plenty of other IDEs for Flex development out there and thanks to the multi-SDK support of Flash Builder, I suspect many developers will have no problems working on the "old versions".

I get the feeling that people hear 'non-profit' and immediately think that 
_everything_ is free / donated... perhaps in some cases it can be - but even 
Apache has a 'sponsorship' page that details where 'monetary contributions' are 
spent. I'm sure that they have rules for money handling - what 503(c) 
organization doesn't? ...but non-profit doesn't mean you don't make money. It 
just means that at the end of the year you're expected to show a zero-balance 
in your bank account.
I don't believe this is true. IT is expected that instead of pocketing the money, you re-invest back in the non-profit.

I get really frustrated when people feel some sort of entitlement because they 
work on project X or because your name is Y or you know person Z.
Like the type of entitlement you're displaying by requesting free versions of Flash Builder from Adobe?

Johnathan Campos - Apache Flex wants to have a conference in San Francisco on 
the first anniversary of the project. Since you're on the commiters list... 
you'll be donating your time - pro-bono. Oh... and btw - the conference can't 
make a dollar because it's non-profit.

That is ridiculous. Non-profits are perfectly allowed to make money. Just the assumption is that you invest profits back into the cause of the non-profit.

Oh... and btw - Adobe didn't agree to supporting anything like that so... 
you'll have to come up with sponsorship yourself or pay for it out of your own 
pocket.
Yep, if "we" decide to throw an Apache Flex conference, we'd be in the same position as any other conference, such as www.360flex.com or www.riaunleashed.com or riacon.com or... I would not count on Adobe to be a sponsor; although from a business perspective I would definitely invite them to be one.

Oh... and it's possible that Apache Flex may not even have anything to release 
by the conference. Oh... and...
I strongly doubt that we would put time into organizing an Apache Flex conference w/o planning to announce; but even if we do; is that so bad?

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