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I do not but Ted Patrick of PowerSDK has documented this extensively. He's has gone so far as to create a few SWF's to demonstrate the behavior though I don't have access to the URL where I am. Send him an email for more info. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message: >From: Robert Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Future Speed Improvements for Flash Player? >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:54:50 -0400 >Hi Brian, > >I am not aware of this limitation. Do you have a sample app I could pass >over to the Player team to test this and work on it? > >Robert > > _____ > >From: Brian LeRoux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 2:00 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Future Speed Improvements for Flash Player? > > >Robert, my concern is with the Flash Player's performance when there are >more than 50 movieclip's working within a swf. As I'm sure you guys know, >after that magic number performance degrades significantly and onRelease >events begin to get dropped by the player. Its a frustrating wall to hit. > >Original Message: >>From: Robert Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "'pk_wasp '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'[email protected] '" ><[email protected]> >>Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Future Speed Improvements for Flash Player? >>Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:45:31 -0500 > >><html><body> >> >> >><tt> >> No boos here -- Macromedia has a healthy crop of J2EE developers :)<BR> >><BR> >>The performance question is a complicated one and I'm hoping others >will<BR> >>pitch in, but I want to at least break out some separate issues. On >the<BR> >>whole I don't think it is at all true that Flash apps (meaning SWFs, >however<BR> >>created) are slower or less responsive than HTML based or Swing apps. >But<BR> >>let's break the question down into some separate parts:<BR> >><BR> >>1. initial download time to client: here a well-made HTML *page* should<BR> >>perform better than a Flash/Flex app; I don't have stats, but I feel >pretty<BR> >>confident that a SWF will generally be smaller and download more >quickly<BR> >>than an equivalent Swing-based. But comparing HTML to SWF or Swing >here is<BR> >>very misleading, because with HTML you can only download a page of an<BR> >>application at a time, whereas in SWF or Swing you can download a whole >app<BR> >>-- and that's why the HTML appears to perform better.<BR> >><BR> >>2. response to user actions on the client: here a SWF will almost always >win<BR> >>easily over an HTML-based app, because it contains the whole >application,<BR> >>and doesn't need to pull additional views from the client for every >event,<BR> >>or call server-side application methods for all but trivial >presentation<BR> >>logic. This is the crucial thing to remember: the SWF is a complete >app on<BR> >>the client, and you only need make new requests to the server if you need >to<BR> >>pull/push additional live data; otherwise events can be handled on the<BR> >>client. Although I again don't have stats, what I know about the way >Java<BR> >>and ActionScript are handled tells me that a Swing app should have a >slight<BR> >>edge here, though in using many SWF and Swing apps, I've never noticed >one<BR> >>being noticeably more responsive than the other.<BR> >><BR> >>That being said, The Flash Player team is always looking for ways to >improve<BR> >>performance, and might be interested in trying to reproduce your >performance<BR> >>issues with apps like to Flex Store on low Mhz systems to see if we can<BR> >>learn something by isolating the bottlenecks. If you're interested in<BR> >>pursuing this, can you send more detailed specs of your typical system >--<BR> >>RAM, how you installed Flex, what app server it's running on, etc?<BR> >><BR> >>Robert<BR> >><BR> >>-----Original Message-----<BR> >>From: pk_wasp<BR> >>To: [email protected]<BR> >>Sent: 4/3/2004 5:12 PM<BR> >>Subject: [flexcoders] Future Speed Improvements for Flash Player?<BR> >><BR> >>Hi<BR> >><BR> >>I'm a J2EE Developer (please don't boo me :) ) looking into RIA (for <BR> >>Intranet Apps anyway). I'm still waiting for the Trial Flex CD to <BR> >>arrive (can't wait) but 1 think i've notice is that the Flash <BR> >>Movies/Sites/Apps are noticably slower and less responsive then Java <BR> >>HTML Form Apps/Windows Apps etc even slower then Java Swing Apps.<BR> >><BR> >>Are there any plans/rumours with for the next Flash Player to have a <BR> >>performance increase like last time?. I know desktop machines are <BR> >>getting faster but the majority of our clients are still stuck on <BR> >>machines with less then 500Mhz CPUs.<BR> >><BR> >>Coz FLex supports liquid layout, lots of new controls etc the only <BR> >>thing stopping me from recommending management to take a serious <BR> >>look @ Flash is the speed e.g Flex Store demo didn't run too well on <BR> >>600MHz machines.<BR> >><BR> >>It'll be good to read up on articles on how to optimise Flex/Flash <BR> >>for lower end client machines, does any1 know of any?<BR> >><BR> >>cheers.<BR> >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >> _____ <BR> >><BR> >>Yahoo! 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