see now you've gone and done it, you made Jess break out his boy-boy voice.
> >>>>>>> > I don't want this product for free but the way MM treated us disrespectfully > makes me sick... > <<<<<<< Just because they don't agree with all rants said, doesn't mean they don't listen intently just the same. I mean i give these guys a good ol fashion public beating sometimes (and un provoked at that) - yet I have more goodies then i care to share. Hell they even gave me an XBOX once ;) Not saying I should now kiss their butts for throwing me sweets, i'm just stating that despite the fact, i tend to bash them over the head with crap and annoying issues a lot - sometimes positive ones - they still treat me as a valued customer. (Even though they may have a mugshot in their interview rooms reading "DO NOT HIRE THIS CLOWN") I think Jess hit all points in a valid way and agree with what was said. On Apr 1, 2005 3:54 PM, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > Another drawback is the complexity that has been added to development > cycle. All of the sudden, we are talking about controllers, views, > commands, value objects, data type mapping... on the presentation > side... It's a lot of redundancy and in my view that should make this > product less desirable.... > <<<<<<< > > Go ask IBM why they hired me to replace their current Flash developer > working on projects for the US Navy and Siemens. MVC is a useful design > pattern, prevents redundancy, and I claim is a necessity in creating > effective front-end applications; we are not creating animations here. > > > >>>>>>> > Yes, Flex is nice, nice features for "flashy" projects but is too > early to say it's a reliable tool for production, because too few > people really deployed or used the application in prod for a decent > period of time... Have you ever find a log when the browser crashes? > or when the loader is taking so long to render a page... > <<<<<<< > > Go back to Slashdot. Those of us who have been using Flash for the past few > years, deployed successful projects, and have the bling to show for it know > that paragraph is bologna. > > > >>>>>>> > In case you don't find your company listed on NYSE then forget about > Flex :)) It's sad, but true... Flex was successfully adopted by big > financial companies and MM feels that can push the price a little bit > higher to increase their revenue... and unfortunately make it more > prohibitive for small-medium shops. > <<<<<<< > > Not true, said company listed on NYSE can be your client. We can't afford > the software, but they can, and they pay us, therefore, we make them buy the > software. We know how to use it, and know it can help us get our projects > done faster for them, thus, we're using their pockets to buy Flex, and have > us make them software. > > >>>>>>> > limited charting engine > <<<<<<< > > Know of a better one with the same amount of unbiquity, extensibility and > ease of integra.... Oh, sorry... times up, not that you needed it. > > > >>>>>>> > I don't want this product for free but the way MM treated us disrespectfully > makes me sick... > <<<<<<< > > I say nice things about Flash to my friends. Macromedia sends me goodies > (T-shirt, memory stick, cool bag, Central stuff to pass out at user > meetings). I say nice things about Flex. They give me a Non-Commercial > license. People ask questions on this list, a bunch of them respond > construtively. They seem pretty cool to me! > > > >>>>>>> > I'm less concern about MM revenue numbers, just concern on the impact > the prices might have on my clients..... > <<<<<<< > > Either get a PR person or someone from MM to effectively communicate the > value and speed that Flex can offer them, or get different clients with > deeper pockets. > > I apologize, but I cannot effectively comment on your server-side and > scalability concerns. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlaudrup1987" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:40 PM > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex 1.5 price > > In case you don't find your company listed on NYSE then forget about > Flex :)) It's sad, but true... Flex was successfully adopted by big > financial companies and MM feels that can push the price a little bit > higher to increase their revenue... and unfortunately make it more > prohibitive for small-medium shops. > > The weird thing is that we tend to overlook the serious > problems/limitations this product has. I've seen dozens of issues > peoples had with this product some of them really put me in > perspective... Keep in mind that not all the apps are datagrids, > flash animations, etc... and the lack of multilingual support, very > limited charting engine, memory issues are only a few of the things > that people should consider before buying this product or being so > excited about it.... > > In fact is just a "presentation layer" that stays on top of your > application... Flex is not a standalone product, we still need an > application servers, database, etc.. and the cost adds up... I don't > want this product for free but the way MM treated us disrespectfully > makes me sick... > > Another drawback is the complexity that has been added to development > cycle. All of the sudden, we are talking about controllers, views, > commands, value objects, data type mapping... on the presentation > side... It's a lot of redundancy and in my view that should make this > product less desirable.... > > Yes, Flex is nice, nice features for "flashy" projects but is too > early to say it's a reliable tool for production, because too few > people really deployed or used the application in prod for a decent > period of time... Have you ever find a log when the browser crashes? > or when the loader is taking so long to render a page... > > It's premature to say that Flex will be a success....and I really do > want so... but in the same proportion those project might fail > miserably regarding their stability.... MM products scalability it > something I wouldn't rely too much.... > > In conclusion, I think this is a list for people who really have > technical difficulties and need help and less for IT managers that > would want to buy... In fact is MM business how they'll manage to > sell Flex and convince IT architects that this is a valid option. > > I'm less concern about MM revenue numbers, just concern on the impact > the prices might have on my clients..... > > Regards, > Michael > > PS: DO NOT intend to contact MM people off list for favors... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
