Let me clarify,
My background was flex, my boss's background was the Product
Designer for Flex/Flash, educating us on what Flex is or should be
etc, is something I'm appreciative of, but in reality, it's not
something you need to spend time doing. Members of my team are
from Adobe/Microsoft and so there's a cross pollination here of
ideas around the future, and to sit back and accept one wins out
on the other, isn't smart thinking imho :) as both will co-exist,
like they do today and tommorow.
Furthermore, I'm not out to prove one is better than the other,
neither is Microsoft. We have bets on where we are taking
Silverlight, Adobe have bets on where they are taking Flash, you
get to choose, and should one not work out, well you have a second
choice? is that bad? if so how?
Ramming home points in aggressive manner as to why you should
adopt one or the other is a fools errand, as in the end you'll
know which one compliments your specific project based on a number
of variables, and should you find Flex (which everyone here
appears to be happy with) great, no harm, no foul. Hope you put
forward some brilliant RIA solutions online and let me know if you
need anything from Microsoft to help in anyway.
My posture is simple, correct the misinformed around Silverlight.
If you want to trash the product with remarks like "SilverXYZ"
that's entirely up to you, I've heard worse, but should you
project information about the said product that's inaccurate, I in
turn will be happy to step up and correct it. If this offends,
then I apologise, if it helps, then I'm glad!.
Choice is on the table, mandatory obedience isn't :) What you do
with the UX Platform today will define what RIA is tomorrow. You
define RIA. Not me, Not Adobe, Not Sun etc..
HTH.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Link Mckinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Okay, first off I choose what gets the job done.
that said -- you should know I am a huge fan of FLEX, especially
Flex 3 and
AS 3.0
My choice is ColdFusion and Flex Combination. My choice....
But given what Guy said, I can certainly see his point, smokey!
Scott, you have not much claim in the RIA world with SilverLight
compared to
Flex 3, I have seen what it can do and cannot do. Now give if
Microsoft
stays with it, then eventually you can say some good stuff, maybe.
I would try my best to stay in the Flex world
P.S Scott, I am pretty sure that was a statement that guy
made....lol
Link
Scott Barnes wrote:
>
> Is this a question or statement? :)
>
> All the best.
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Guy Morton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Oh and the way MS has stiffed SVG as a standard by refusing to
support
>> it in IE definitely pushes them into the category of evil. They
even
>> "embraced and extended" the acronym when they named their
competing
>> product
>> SilVerliGht.
>> I choose Flex because I don't want to live in a world dominated
by MS
>> technology, given their prior behaviour towards competitors and
>> standards.
>> It's the same reason I encourage the use of open source
software whenever
>> I
>> can. YMMV, but I'd urge all developers to consider the ethics
behind the
>> tech they choose to support.
>>
>>
>> On 15/08/2008, at 2:56 PM, Scott Barnes wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> - Cross Platform
>> - Silverlight is x-platform.
>> - Much more traction and an established user base.
>> - Depends on which brochure you want to read (Adobe/Microsoft),
but
>> we've got approx 20,000 folks registered on Silverlight.NET
forums
>> and
>> there's approx 9,000+ here on this forum. Furthermore, Adobe's
>> entire
>> development population is measured in thousands, where as .NET
>> folks are
>> measured in millions. Given the industry is in what we'd call an
>> upgrade
>> phase, it will be interesting to see how this pans out in the
near
>> future
>> and how the desktop vs web converge. We've not tapped into how
many
>> folks
>> are using the Dynamic Language Runtime and given projects like
the
>> PHP
>> community, may also swell the numbers further etc..(
>> http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/01/Silverlight-PHP) we have more
>> plans to grow Silverlight beyond the .NET way of life, its about
>> standards
>> and open source with us as well :) but hey, which brochure you
want
>> to
>> believe in is up to you.. no harm no foul.
>> - Standard (client-side) libraries are allegedly a lot broader
in Flex
>> than Silverlight.
>> - Again, depends on who's brochure you want to believe. We've got
>> more third party vendors producing Silverlight/WPF related
controls
>> today,
>> and Codeplex.com has 98 Silverlight specific projects available
>> that we know
>> of. WPF and Silverlight have the ability share and re-use the
same
>> code base
>> depending on specific features and so, this is kind of an open
>> debate with
>> an unlikely definitive outcome in terms of a definition of win.
>> - Not evil.
>> - Microsoft isn't evil, its just me :) .. Evil is a typical term
>> that at times is associated with the brand, but given half the
>> people I work
>> with came from Apple/Adobe/Macromedia/IBM/Sun/Google? does that
>> make them
>> evil as well in that when they handed in their identity badges at
>> companies
>> like Macromedia/Adobe did they pass through some gate which
sprayed
>> them
>> with Evil? ..
>> - Price.
>> - Silverlight is Free as in beer, you can code in Visual Studio
>> Express for free today and produce Silverlight. We're also seeing
>> folks
>> spin-up Eclipse like editors (eg:
>>
>>
http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/09/03/lunar-eclipse-open-source-silverlight-design-tool-for-linux)
>> for Silverlight and there are more and more being developed today
>> (in fact
>> I'm meeting with someone on Monday about his editor + Silverlight
>> and other
>> languages)
>>
>> Adobe AIR's actual use in the mainstream is open for debate,
but we
>> believe
>> with Silverlight and WPF we've got all areas covered. We're
also ensuring
>> Silverlight runtime works on the mobile in the future and at
MIX we
>> joined
>> forces with Nokia to make this a reality. The same runtime will
work on
>> the
>> desktop and device, and this means there will not be a
"Silverlight lite"
>> vs
>> "Silverlight" (as we've heard from customers around the
problems of
>> having
>> Flash lite vs Flash).
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Josh McDonald
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well the benefits (assuming silverlight as the other option)
become:
>>>
>>> * Cross platform
>>> * Much more traction and an established user base
>>> * Standard (client-side) libraries are allegedly a lot broader
in Flex
>>> than Silverlight. Just repeating what I've heard here though,
I don't
>>> know
>>> for sure.
>>> * Not evil - IMHO of course, but this _is_ a Flex list ;-)
>>> * Don't quote me on this, but probably substantially cheaper
(for a
>>> commercial license) unless you already have VS
>>>
>>> I don't know what capabilities the Silverlight equivalent of
AIR has.
>>> But
>>> AIR apps will run on Mac Win and Linux, whereas Silverlight is
Mac / Win
>>> (client plugin) only, development is Win only. Also the AIR
equivalent
>>> may
>>> even be windows-clients only. Personally I avoid anything that
means I'm
>>> stuck with any one platform. I like choice, what if the next
Windows /
>>> OS X
>>> is awful?
>>>
>>> -Josh
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM, itdanny2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But if the only to do the sync is to
>>>> install a program in desktop. Then,
>>>> any benefit of AIR is better than
>>>> Microsoft'stuf ? Sorry, it is a management
>>>> question so that we can sell our management
>>>> while our other development is on MS platform.
>>>> Inshort, any good point in AIR which is better ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Josh McDonald"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Anything that lives in a browser is not going to be able to
have a
>>>> local
>>>> > database, going to microsoft won't change that.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM, itdanny2002
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > I need to build a web-based Application which
>>>> > > has data in Client & Server, sync is required.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > AIR
>>>> > > ---
>>>> > > Support SQLite in client side - It's ok but we
>>>> > > want web-based so that installation is not
>>>> > > required. Go to anywhere, just a click to see
>>>> > > data.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > FLEX
>>>> > > ----
>>>> > > It can't have database operation such as SQLite
>>>> > > in client. I don't think cookie is a solution due
>>>> > > to large volume of data.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I need to defence and stay in Flex faction in
>>>> > > my company. Any good point(s) that make me won't
>>>> > > in camp of VS.Net ?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
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>>>> >
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>>
>> --
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>>
>> Scott Barnes
>> Rich Client Platform Manager
>> Microsoft.
>>
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