Dave, When you said POJO, I interpreted that as Plain Old Java Object. Correct me if I missunderstood, but thats where I got the Java reference from.
With more clarity, I understand your argument about it being possible to expose php code using web services. But I really think that regardless of which is better (I have my way you have yours) that there is no good reason under the sun to be *forced* out of using a technology that macromedia championed and still does today with just a minor shift so the old stuff will be incompatible. Sorry if I am a little irritable on this subject, but I just think that what macromedia has done here, regardless of the web services/remoting benefits borders generates alot of mistrust in the developer community. I know it does with me anyway. Regards Hank. On 12/15/05, Dave Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A few thoughts. > > 1) I didnt imply Java anywhere in my question/suggestion/answer? > Pretty much every servant technology today supports exposing language > artifacts as web services without any code refactoring. This is true > of Java, PHP, .NET, heck even PowerBuilder. Its actually a really > important point I think folks don't know. Take Java (as just a single > example). If you hava Java class exposed as a RemoteObject (only Java > and CFC supported as remtoe object via Flex1.5 now) did you know that > you can expose that *exact same* java class as a web service with > *zero* code changes to the class? Yup. It takes something like 2 > minutes of total work to do. You can try it youself with something > like the restaurant example. We had a new guy do that just this week. > He redid the restaurant example to be all web services in basically > no time flat. > > Thats why I asked the question. Step back and consider the fact you > could expose your PHP, or whatever, as a web service, totally drop any > dependancy on needing a server proxy at all, regardless of what > vendors proxy. > > 2) I agree the thread on web service vs remote object has been > discussed over and over. But there are new folks joining these ranks > every day, and the question is still very much open. Like in all > debates everyone will pick a side. I think its pretty clear we prefer > web services over remote object, and have that decision based on many > points which we have often discussed. More so our decision is > validated by quite major production deployments of Flex solutions. > Our opinion is, given the choice, we tend to prefer a web service. Its > just that. An opinion. > > In either case, I just wanted to present the option to the questioner. > WebServices might actually be a great way to solve his issue, without > the risk of bringing in an unsupported third party product, and > without any license cost at all. I didnt feel a suggestion like that > was off topic. Apologies if it was seen that way. > > - > Dave Wolf > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > http://www.cynergysystems.com > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Office: 866-CYNERGY > > > --- In [email protected], hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hmm... > > > > Thats an interesting response. > > > > So all of us who have developed solutions with remoting really didnt > > need it anyway. > > > > Aside from the fact that he was asking about amphp which has nothing > > to do with java, remoting does offer benefits over web services (aside > > from avoiding the reconfiguring ones server side implementation) which > > have been debated and discussed ad infinitum and I will not restate > > here. > > > > Regards > > Hank > > > > On 12/15/05, Dave Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't understand why you can't simply use <mx:WebService/> to > > > replace <mx:RemoteObject> in most cases. Using AXIS you can use the > > > exact same POJO you might have used in a <mx:RemoteObject/> and do so > > > without the need for any gateway. > > > > > > - > > > Dave Wolf > > > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > > > http://www.cynergysystems.com > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Office: 866-CYNERGY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > As far as I know there is not yet. > > > > > > > > There was some discussion about this on the flashcoders list when > > > > flex2 came out. I made a pretty big deal about the fact that the > docs > > > > seem to indicate that standard remoting will not be something > that is > > > > supported. > > > > > > > > Mike Chambers (a MM employee) indicated that it was supported. But > > > > what he meant was that it was supported at a super low level and you > > > > would essentially have to write all the low level remoting code for > > > > this. > > > > > > > > It seemed pretty clear to me that their intent was to, ahem, > > > > **encourage** remoting users to buy cold fusion or Flex Data > Services, > > > > in order to do painless remoting, and that they were essentially > > > > orphaning anyone who was not doing remoting with one of their pricey > > > > gateways. > > > > > > > > Now, perhaps this post will bring adobe employees out of the > woodwork > > > > crying foul and saying I am wrong. But the fact that there is any > > > > ambiguity about this isssue, is, in and of itself, a real problem. > > > > > > > > The fact that that there is not some strong statement of continued > > > > **full** support for traditional remoting is, to me, shameful. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > On 12/15/05, Flapflap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > > > Because RemoteObject isn't available on Alpha is there a way to > > > use flex > > > > > 2 with amf php ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks... > > > > > > > > > > By the way : Hello World ! > > > > > I'm new to this list. > > > > > -- > > > > > Flapflap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Flexcoders Mailing List > > > > > FAQ: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > > > > > Search Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > Yahoo! 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