function.apply sits well with my thinking. What did you mean by Composition and Function.apply?
Composition in terms actually declaring the function methods in the class? you can't mean this, as it defeats the purpose of not knowing the method calls of the remote service. I noticed the flash.util.Proxy but the description confused me. I'll have to do another iteration and see if I can make things click in my head. Thanks for the food for fodder, Renaun --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "JesterXL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You aren't inexperienced; the fact you know what __resolve is shows that. > > 2 ways. Yes, you can use __resolve. Another way is to use Composition and > use Function.apply. > > The Remoting AS2 framework for Flash MX 2004 and Flash 8 uses both. Every > call creates a method as a property, and returns the function that has > enough smarts about itself to know what to call, and where. You can also do > some magic with Function.apply: > > function.apply(theService, argumentsArray); > > However, according to the migration docs, we should be using > flash.util.Proxy. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Renaun Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:42 PM > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > How do I handle the method calls? > > For example: > <mx:RemoteObjectAMF0 id="myAMF" > endpoint="http://localhost/amfphp/gateway.php"; > result="myResultFunction( event.result )" > fault="myFaultFunction( event.fault )" > /> > > How would I make: > myAMF.getUsers( myParam ); > turn into the NetConnection.call ?? > > I mean "getUsers" is not defined in the RemoteObjectAMF0 so how do I > handle translating getUsers into a real call through a instance of > NetConnection? I saw the AS __resolve function, is this the ticket? > > I am showing my inexperience but I can only grow by asking. > > Renaun > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "JesterXL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Sure... just package your code you wrote in a class with all the > metadata > > defined, and use as a tag in Flex 2. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Renaun Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:27 PM > > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > With Flex and AS3 we could write our own AMF0 RemoteObject component, > > and yes it would be nice to have Adobe do it for us. I believe if > > Adobe doesn't somebody will do it by the time Flex2 is finalized. > > > > I have thought about it quite a bit, but havenn't been able to figure > > out how to set up the class/component correctly. > > > > Jesse, any ideas on making a AMF0 RemoteObject component? > > > > Renaun > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Ok, so I was right. > > > > > > All jesse is saying is 8.5 wont break the millions of apps that are > > > out there right now. > > > > > > Just an inch shy of meaningless. (no offense jesse). > > > > > > What I am talking about is being able to have 8.5 AVM2 based apps talk > > > to AMF0 and all the existing server installations that are out there > > > right now. > > > > > > I want to be able to do 2 things. > > > > > > 1. Port my existing flash code to 8.5 without needing to rewrite major > > > pieces of low level client side remoting code that was previously part > > > of the flash baseline. > > > > > > 2. I want to be able to speak MXML to my existing AMF0 based server > > > code the same way the rest of the kids on the block do it - with a > > > RemoteObject. I dont want to use some ghetto APIs or tags that are > > > not as clean as everyone elses. Using MXML with my existing server > > > infrastructure should not be hard, even if it is not as fast as the > > > new AMF3 stuff is. > > > > > > Regards > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/16/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Er, Flash 9 Blaze... you knew what I meant. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "JesterXL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to confirm, this link has as Flash Player 7 movie created in > > Flash MX > > > > 2004 using Remoting, and a Flex 1.5 Flash Player 7 movie using > > RemoteObject, > > > > both use AMFPHP. This link works in my Firefox 1.5 using the > > alpha Flash > > > > Player 8.5: > > > > > > > > http://www.jessewarden.com/archives/2005/06/flash_flex_amfp.html > > > > > > > > I did nothing to those Flash movies to get them to work in Flash > > Player 8.5; > > > > they just do. > > > > > > > > Neither take advantage of AVM3. To do that, 3 things need to > happen: > > > > - I need to port the Flex 1.5 app to Flex 2 > > > > - I need to port the Flash MX 2004 app to Flash 8 (Blaze, not > out yet) > > > > - both need AMFPHP needs to support AMF3, which AMFPHP doesn't yet > > > > > > > > Therefore, when released, Flash Player 8.5 will play all the > > millions of > > > > existing websites the same as they do now. However, none of them > > will take > > > > advantage of the following without re-coding: > > > > - AS3's speed > > > > - Flash Player 8.5's new features > > > > - AMF3 > > > > > > > > So, for all content created in Flash 8/Flex 1.5, Flash Player > 8.5 will > > > > detect this, and use the old AVM and the old AMF. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Matt Chotin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:25 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesse is correct and you're mis-interpreting Phil. The new AVM can > > > > communicate using AMF0 if you set that flag on NetConnection. > You can > > > > then use NetConnection directly against the older server. > > Additionally > > > > AMF3 is not available in the older AVM, it's only available in > the new > > > > AVM and the code that we are writing for Flex does take advantage > > of it > > > > (since it runs in the new AVM). > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > > Behalf Of hank williams > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:21 PM > > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > Jesse, > > > > > > > > What your are saying sounds great. But it sounds different than what > > > > philip is saying. > > > > > > > > It sounds like you are saying that my current code will work in 8.5 > > > > with the new AVM2 but I will have to use the AMF0 flag which > means it > > > > will be less efficient. > > > > > > > > It sounds like what philip is saying is that in 8.5 you will have to > > > > use the old AVM that is embedded in 8.5 to use AMF0 and the old > > > > remoting. This is not great because it is impossible to run AVM and > > > > AVM2 code in the same SWF. So if my interpretation of what Philip is > > > > saying is correct, then this has no "migration value". It is merely > > > > saying the new player wont just break the millions of existing sites > > > > out there which you dont really get a gold star for. > > > > > > > > So, Which one of these two scenarios is correct. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Hank. > > > > > > > > On 12/16/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Flash will be backwards compatible, like always. However, you'll > > > > either > > > > > have to use AMF0 for the defaultObjectEncoding property of > > > > > flash.net.NetConnection to allow it to work with old content. The > > > > optimized > > > > > changes to AMF packets + serialization/deserialization means that > > > > projects > > > > > like OpenAMF & AMFPHP will have to be modified to take > advantage of > > > > them; > > > > > aka, read the new AMF format. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how different the format is, but it wouldn't jump > from > > > > AMF0 to > > > > > AMF3 if it didn't rock. Therefore, old content will still work as > > > > usually, > > > > > and you can still use Remoting with AMFPHP & OpenAMF. I've > already > > > > tested > > > > > my existing content in Flash Player 8.5 and it works. > > > > > > > > > > What I've yet to see work yet is AMFPHP using AMF3, but I wouldn't > > > > expect > > > > > Patrick & the AMFPHP crew to start working on it until the > player is > > > > in > > > > > later betas. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:30 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Philip, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for taking the time to respond to this issue. I do > > > > appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > But I do have a bit of a concern with what you are saying. It > sounds > > > > > like you are saying that because of improvments in architecture or > > > > > performance, old style AMF remoting may not be possible, or may > > not be > > > > > possible easily. > > > > > > > > > > This just doesnt sound right. > > > > > > > > > > These are pretty high level Async protocols, and I cannot > > imagine any > > > > > speed or architectural change that would cause such things to be > > > > > unsuportable. Moreover the documentation and others from > macromedia > > > > > have said that the low level protocol is supported just not the > > higher > > > > > layers. > > > > > > > > > > So, I appreciate your responding, but it would really be > helpful to > > > > > understand the technical issues that cause you or others to > say that > > > > > because of the AVM changes that this stuff may not be supportable. > > > > > Because, to me, it sounds like saying "due to speed and > architecture > > > > > changes flash can no longer support the color RED". > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > On 12/16/05, Philip Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry I'm jumping in late on this thread, but I was out of the > > > > office > > > > > > and I've been having email problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > To follow up on Matt's comment, you have to recognize that > > with this > > > > > > public alpha, we are releasing into the wild much earlier than > > > > usual, so > > > > > > not everything is resolved. We recognize that AS3/Flex 2 is > a big > > > > change > > > > > > and that moving to it will require some people to rewrite > > > > code/change > > > > > > infrastructure. Part of the reason for releasing early is to > make > > > > sure > > > > > > we struck the right balance between improving the architecture > > > > (which > > > > > > often causes breakage) and breaking things (which causes > > pain). The > > > > > > discussion here is definitely helpful in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Flex 2/AS3, we did not set out to break compatibility with > > > > existing > > > > > > Remoting implementations, but that may be a reality of the big > > > > changes > > > > > > we are making. As with every change, you have to make trade-offs > > > > between > > > > > > keeping backward compatibility and fixing things for the > > future. Our > > > > > > goal is to build a solid technical foundation that we can use > > in our > > > > own > > > > > > products and that others can use in their products; with this > > > > release, > > > > > > we decided making some painful changes was the right choice > > for the > > > > > > long-term. > > > > > > > > > > > > To address the specific question about Remoting, we will > have more > > > > > > information about the future of other Adobe/Macromedia > > products that > > > > use > > > > > > Remoting soon as well as information about how other > products that > > > > rely > > > > > > on AMF can make the migration to AS3. But I do want to set the > > > > > > expectation that this is going to be a migration, not an > upgrade. > > > > Player > > > > > > 8.5 will continue to run content/applications published to > > Player 8 > > > > and > > > > > > below, but to take advantage of the radical performance and > > > > functional > > > > > > improvements in the new AVM, some things will have to be > > > > reimplemented. > > > > > > We are absolutely committed to helping the developer community > > make > > > > that > > > > > > change, whether they are buying Flex, Remoting or CF from us or > > > > > > something like AMFPHP, but at the moment we're in the middle of > > > > making > > > > > > that change ourselves, so you will have to be patient. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil Costa > > > > > > Group Product Manager, Flex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of hank williams > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:25 AM > > > > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > > > > > To add just a little color to this, I use java on the server > side, > > > > but > > > > > > POJOs are useless to me because I return almost all my data as > > > > > > ResutSet/RecordSet's. There are a variety of reasons for this > > > > including > > > > > > the pageablerecordset capability, but the bottom line is > > that's how > > > > I do > > > > > > it. Rewriting the old recordset code that supports AMF1, to > me, is > > > > not > > > > > > at all sensitive to the needs of the developer base. And > > again, we > > > > > > don't even know if its possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt from Adobe just said that he does not expect to be breaking > > > > > > anyone's workflows, but I am not sure if that just meant > > Brian, who > > > > is > > > > > > using Cold Fusion, but not FlapFlap since he is using AMFPHP. > > Given > > > > that > > > > > > PHP is currently the most popular server side tool in the > > world some > > > > > > statement of support for AMF1 would be helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > But there are others that think that since AMFPHP is an open > > source > > > > > > "hack" and that Adobe has no obligation to maintain API > > > > compatibility or > > > > > > continuity with any existing protocol. Instant deprecation is no > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > If this is Adobe's position on this issue and to open source in > > > > general > > > > > > - or not, I would love to hear it directly from Adobe in > clear, no > > > > > > nonsense terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, if any Adobe management is listening, and if > > appropriate, > > > > > > just detach the below letter, sign and return. I will forward > > to the > > > > > > appropriate constituencies. > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > > December 16, 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Adobe > > > > > > To: Open Source Community > > > > > > Non Cold Fusion/FDS users > > > > > > PHP Users > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: The needless breaking of your existing server > communication > > > > > > solution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Screw You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warmest Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > > > Signed Adobe Management Team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/05, Brian Lesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > This thread started with a query regarding using the open > source > > > > AMF > > > > > > > PHP software that a number of people have been using for > > some time > > > > to > > > > > > > build Flash/AMF/PHP based applications. Developers in that > space > > > > > > > naturally want to continue to use the server-side code > base (in > > > > PHP) > > > > > > > they have been building out along with the new standalone > Flex 2 > > > > IDE > > > > > > and AS3. > > > > > > > However, it appears from the Alpha, and from what I gather > Mike > > > > has > > > > > > > been saying, that this will not be possible without > > reinventing a > > > > > > > number of > > > > > > > AS3 classes such as RecordSet from scratch. Perhaps worse, > > though > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > not into PHP, is that it may not be possible at all if any > code > > > > relied > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the NetConnection.addHeader() method. This useful, > > public, and > > > > > > > documented method of the NetConnection class has not been > > > > implemented > > > > > > > and is still under discussion within Adobe. So, unless I'm > > missing > > > > > > > something in what you wrote, I don't think it is reasonable to > > > > suggest > > > > > > > > > > > > > PHP developers simply switch to using Web services and Java > > POJOs. > > > > > > > I always understood that something like AS3 would to some > degree > > > > have > > > > > > > to break AS2 and AS1 code and that at some point a new > document > > > > object > > > > > > > > > > > > > model might break many APIs. But I do not believe Adobe has to > > > > > > > completely break everyone's Flash Remoting applications > from end > > > > to > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > I sincerely hope that NetConnection.addHeader reappears in the > > > > beta. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > also hope that if Adobe doesn't do it, someone else will > come up > > > > with > > > > > > > a solid AS3 RecordSet implementation that works flawlessly. I > > > > wish I > > > > > > > knew for certain if that was even possible. > > > > > > > I also think this discussion should give everyone pause. > Imagine > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 months from now. Perhaps, like the ill fated Flash Remoting > > > > Gateway > > > > > > > > > > > > > Servlet MM tried to sell at $999/CPU, the essential parts of > > Flex > > > > Data > > > > > > > > > > > > > Services will be reverse engineered and available as open > source > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > number of different server-side technologies. Will Adobe once > > > > again > > > > > > > rewrite everything to make it better and in the process > > break all > > > > its > > > > > > > public APIs? Will every Java developer be left wondering if > > Adobe > > > > is > > > > > > > just trying to remonetize AMF or if they just don't have the > > > > > > > financial/developer resources to retire an API gracefully? > > > > > > > In any case, some caution about breaking third party > developer's > > > > > > > applications from end to end seems appropriate. > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Wolf wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I don't understand why you can't simply use > <mx:WebService/> to > > > > > > > >replace <mx:RemoteObject> in most cases. Using AXIS you > > can use > > > > the > > > > > > > >exact same POJO you might have used in a > <mx:RemoteObject/> and > > > > do so > > > > > > > > > > > > > >without the need for any gateway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > > >Dave Wolf > > > > > > > >Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > > > > > >Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > > > > > > > >http://www.cynergysystems.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >Office: 866-CYNERGY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, hank williams > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>As far as I know there is not yet. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>There was some discussion about this on the flashcoders list > > > > when > > > > > > > >>flex2 came out. I made a pretty big deal about the fact > > that the > > > > > > > >>docs seem to indicate that standard remoting will not be > > > > something > > > > > > > >>that is supported. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Mike Chambers (a MM employee) indicated that it was > supported. > > > > But > > > > > > > >>what he meant was that it was supported at a super low > > level and > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>would essentially have to write all the low level remoting > > code > > > > for > > > > > > > >>this. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>It seemed pretty clear to me that their intent was to, ahem, > > > > > > > >>**encourage** remoting users to buy cold fusion or Flex Data > > > > > > > >>Services, in order to do painless remoting, and that > they were > > > > > > > >>essentially orphaning anyone who was not doing remoting > > with one > > > > of > > > > > > > >>their pricey gateways. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Now, perhaps this post will bring adobe employees out of the > > > > > > > >>woodwork crying foul and saying I am wrong. But the fact > that > > > > there > > > > > > > >>is any ambiguity about this isssue, is, in and of itself, > > a real > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>The fact that that there is not some strong statement of > > > > continued > > > > > > > >>**full** support for traditional remoting is, to me, > > shameful. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Regards > > > > > > > >>Hank > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>On 12/15/05, Flapflap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>Hi there, > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>Because RemoteObject isn't available on Alpha is there a > > way to > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >use flex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>2 with amf php ? > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>Thanks... > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>By the way : Hello World ! > > > > > > > >>> I'm new to this list. > > > > > > > >>>-- > > > > > > > >>>Flapflap > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>-- > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Brian Lesser > > > > > > > Assistant Director, Teaching and Technology Support > > Computing and > > > > > > > Communications Services Ryerson University 350 Victoria St. > > > > > > > Toronto, Ontario Phone: (416) 979-5000 > > ext. 6835 > > > > > > > M5B 2K3 Fax: (416) 979-5220 > > > > > > > Office: AB48D E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > (Enter through LB66) Web: > > > > http://www.ryerson.ca/~blesser > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Flexcoders Mailing List > > > > > > > FAQ: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > > > > > > > Search Archives: > > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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