Hi Douglas,
Exactly the same reason why I chose for web services. It's standards based, so you're free to go on the back end.
I don't know what you exactly meant with 'staying clear of frameworks', but I think using Hibernate is a safe bet or maybe later EJB3 (which should be an easy migration). I'm personally not a fan of Spring, but it's extremely hot in the Java community. I'm afraid that if you're not using Spring, you will not be taken seriously.
I meant that it would seem lighter as there would be only the requirement that a J2EE container be available, nothing else. I'm not from the hardcore Java background wither, so I have not got Spring, Hibernate, etc under me firmly <emp>yet</emp> either.
This brings me to another point. I personally have a JAVA background and I follow the community sites www.javalobby.org and www.theserverside.com closely. What I notice is that Flex is not considered a serious alternative for building Rich Internet Applications. A search on 'flex' does not result in many hits. Worse, people who vouch for flex are often barked at shamelessly.
I don't know your intentions behind your idea of starting an open source flex project. Could you tell us more?
In my desire to increase my skills, I was thinking of writing a little issue tracking tool. heck, maybe just hook up a cool Flex2 UI to a already existing opensourced issue traker, eh? hmm....
To me it would be a great idea showing the JAVA community that there is a much cleaner and leaner alternative for web applications than this JSF/AJAX/_javascript_ stuff that is getting so much attention. One of the key success factors would be to have your back-end state-of-the-art, showing the JAVA people that you know your stuff. That means IMHO that you need to use popular frameworks like Hibernate and Spring.
Does anyone have an explanation why Flex is not taken seriously in JAVA land? Is there something I should know J ?
Cheers,
Franck
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen
Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 19:27
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
yeah, seems better to target Java as middle ware. Probably stay clear--
of any frameworks though to make it lighter in weight. Thanks for the
info...
> People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing,
> but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance.
> Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone
> have benchmarks on this?
Adobe has info on this and preach use of AMF for speed. This is
talked about around this list a bit already...some guy named Dave
might have said something :) I'm thinking for an open sourced
project, web services is the way to go, should make it easier to plug
in different middle-wares.
DK
On 1/3/06, Franck de Bruijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Since you are writing an open source application, I would stick as much as
> possible to open source frameworks and tools.
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> I'm currently prototyping a Flex 2 application on the following software
> stack:
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> Frontend: Flex 2
> Interface towards backend: Web services with Apache Axis
> Middleware: Hibernate
> Wiring: plain java, but this is not so modern. So, maybe you will prefer
> Spring.
> Database: any one you prefer. For the prototype I'm using HSQLDB.
> Building: Maven 2
> Developing: Flex 2 Builder (standalone) and Eclipse WTP (unfortunately they
> do not work together yet)
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> For the build part I'm not satisfied yet. Maybe I'll write my own Maven 2
> plugin for Flex 2 applications. I'll keep you posted on that.
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>
> People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing,
> but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance.
> Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone
> have benchmarks on this?
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> Cheers,
>
> Franck
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> Ok, so I want to mess around building something to let everyone in the
> community have. Using Flex 2....what to use on the backend? With DAO
> Factories, I suppose any back end DB will do, eh? start with MySQL
> and fill in for others. Now what about the middle ware? Java,
> ColdFusion, etc...???? What would be a good popular fit, eh? Your
> thoughts?
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